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The Noachian Flood
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RE: The Noachian Flood
(December 16, 2012 at 2:18 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Yahweh's Garden of Eden experiment either goes spectacularly wrong or is one hundred percent successful, depending on unspecified criteria for success.

I'd say a great success, considering the objective was to produce a small percentage of boot-licking slaves that would kiss His holy ass for all eternity and the rest of the population being discarded into the incinerator for kicks. Mission accomplished.

Quote:Protohumans Adam and Eve learn to distinguish good from evil, in defiance of Yahweh's manipulative instructions against the act, and are expelled from their petri dish existence into the world at large, tainted with Original Sin. Generations pass...

A brilliant move, really. It's like putting a loaded gun on the coffee table in the living room, instructing your kids not to play with it, leave the room and peak around the corner to watch the fun. Hey, you did tell them not to play with it so you can pretend to not be responsible. All part of the Lord's grand plan to produce this world as a test to separate the boot-lickers like me from fools like you who go around thinking for yourself.

You know, Christians dismiss me as a "troll" but really, if you take all the Bible's teachings to their logical conclusion, how can you not come up with the same beliefs that I have? I mean, what else could this world be but a testing ground to separate the gullible slaves from the willful and independent?

Quote:Now after that preamble, here are my observations. First, it's clear from the narrative that Yahweh has not yet been granted the omniscience upgrade. Indeed, the character at this early stage is really rather limited in comparison with its later portrayal; it has trouble locating characters hiding behind a tree, for instance.

Correct and there are many other passages in scripture that confirm the lack of omnipotence and omniscence.

First and foremost, there was the fact that the Lord needed a breather after his work creating the universe.

Quote:Gen 2:2-3 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

...and it was later confirmed that the Lord REALLY needed a breather.

Quote:Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Then there are passages that speak to the limitations of our Lord's might:

Quote:Num 23:22 God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

Modern translations say "wild ox" instead of unicorn. I don't know about unicorns but wild oxen aren't omnipotent.

The Lord can't defeat a people who have iron chariots.

Quote:Judges 1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

He's also not omniscient at this point. One example is when he plays hide-and-seek with Adam (which you already cited) and another is when he needs to go check on Sodom and Gomorrah.

Quote:Gen 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

The Lord still needs to check things out at this point. Either He's not omniscient at this point or has deep feelings of insecurity that cause Him to second-guess Himself a lot of the time. Given His need for validation from the likes of people like me, it's not an easy call as to which it is.

He doesn't get to be omnipotent until the NT.

Really, an inspiring story of a deity pulling Himself up by His bootstraps. Remember, He got His start as just a volcano god in a pantheon of some obscure tribe to become the multinational tycoon He is today.
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Messages In This Thread
The Noachian Flood - by Cyberman - December 16, 2012 at 2:18 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Faith No More - December 16, 2012 at 3:05 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Cyberman - December 16, 2012 at 3:10 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Faith No More - December 16, 2012 at 3:17 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 3:18 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Minimalist - December 16, 2012 at 3:48 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Something completely different - December 16, 2012 at 4:18 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Cyberman - December 16, 2012 at 4:35 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by pocaracas - December 16, 2012 at 5:29 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Lion IRC - December 16, 2012 at 7:58 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Minimalist - December 16, 2012 at 9:42 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 8:33 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by pocaracas - December 17, 2012 at 7:43 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - December 16, 2012 at 8:51 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Cyberman - December 16, 2012 at 9:16 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by popeyespappy - December 16, 2012 at 9:17 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Cyberman - December 16, 2012 at 9:23 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Jackalope - December 16, 2012 at 9:38 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Dee Dee Ramone - December 16, 2012 at 9:52 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by popeyespappy - December 16, 2012 at 9:27 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Cyberman - December 16, 2012 at 9:43 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Zen Badger - December 17, 2012 at 7:32 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by catfish - December 17, 2012 at 9:11 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Zen Badger - December 17, 2012 at 9:23 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by catfish - December 17, 2012 at 10:33 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by YahwehIsTheWay - December 17, 2012 at 12:01 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Cyberman - December 18, 2012 at 4:25 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - December 18, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by catfish - December 20, 2012 at 1:16 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by downbeatplumb - December 20, 2012 at 1:44 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by catfish - December 20, 2012 at 1:48 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by downbeatplumb - December 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by catfish - December 23, 2012 at 12:09 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by downbeatplumb - December 23, 2012 at 1:22 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Cyberman - December 20, 2012 at 2:10 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Cyberman - December 18, 2012 at 5:05 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Lachrymose - January 6, 2013 at 10:32 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - December 18, 2012 at 5:21 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Cyberman - December 18, 2012 at 5:25 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by catfish - December 18, 2012 at 9:04 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - December 19, 2012 at 11:10 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - December 21, 2012 at 9:44 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by catfish - December 23, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Minimalist - December 23, 2012 at 12:11 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - December 23, 2012 at 4:49 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by catfish - January 3, 2013 at 12:02 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Zen Badger - January 3, 2013 at 7:36 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - January 6, 2013 at 12:34 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Zen Badger - January 6, 2013 at 7:07 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Minimalist - January 6, 2013 at 11:33 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by catfish - January 9, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Minimalist - January 9, 2013 at 5:40 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by catfish - January 10, 2013 at 5:47 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - January 6, 2013 at 11:00 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2013 at 7:01 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by catfish - January 15, 2013 at 7:46 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Minimalist - January 15, 2013 at 7:06 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2013 at 8:04 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by catfish - January 15, 2013 at 8:12 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2013 at 8:14 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by catfish - January 15, 2013 at 8:23 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Cato - January 15, 2013 at 11:13 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2013 at 11:16 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Cato - January 15, 2013 at 11:22 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2013 at 11:35 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by catfish - January 15, 2013 at 11:35 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2013 at 11:42 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by catfish - January 15, 2013 at 11:59 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - January 16, 2013 at 12:00 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by catfish - January 16, 2013 at 12:17 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - January 16, 2013 at 9:49 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by catfish - January 16, 2013 at 1:33 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by garbishcan - January 16, 2013 at 10:12 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by The Grand Nudger - January 16, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by Cyberman - January 16, 2013 at 9:53 pm
RE: The Noachian Flood - by garbishcan - January 16, 2013 at 10:53 am
RE: The Noachian Flood - by jonb - January 16, 2013 at 10:43 pm

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