Determinism.....

[Edwardo Piet]

Exactly your brain does the controlling! The BRAIN controls sensation, muscles, glandular activity, and the power to think and feel. From my esthetician book anatomy and physiology chapter nervous system part.

Yes. It is simply doing what it is doing, and I am doing what I am doing. So at any given moment that is all I can do, so it doesn't make sense to blame people unless that has a good effect for the future: Because at any given moment they could have done nothing different...the fact that they choose and can learn from their mistakes, is another matter. There's a difference between choice and free choice. Yes I have a choice, yes I have a Will, but how is it 'free'?

Yes. When I am thirsty I can choose to have a glass of water or what I am really thinking a nice cold beer sounds better. In the end I will decide.

Yes you choose, yes you decide. Or IOW, your brain does: And...how is that process 'free'? How can you do anything other than what you are doing at any given moment? How could people justly blame you or take revenge on you if you did something wrong, if at the moment you did the hypothetical act - you couldn't have done any different?

So can you 'do otherwise' at any given moment or not? And if so...how? I know of no evidence that any of us can...we are not exempt from the natural laws of the universe: We are part of it. We are just doing what we are doing.

So yes we have choices: That is totally obvious. Yes we have a Will: This is obvious, we make decisions, we contemplate things, etc...but how is this process 'free'?

This is not a debate on whether we have a Will or not, or whether we make Choices or not - it's a debate on whether it's 'free' or not.

I believe we make choices, I believe we have Wills. Why? That's a trivial matter to discuss because it's so obvious IMO. What I am discussing is whether our choices, whether our Will is 'free' or not. I don't believe it is.

I can choose to go out tonight or not that is my choice.

Of course. That is extremely obvious, people make choices all the time. But is your choice 'free'? Are choices 'free'? Is the Will, 'free'?

And that is your choice, you choose not to believe in free Will. And thats ok.

I don't believe that Belief itself is a choice, we are compelled by things. Belief is not a matter of policy, it's not something we choose - like saying "...I think I will have the cheese and onion flavour please..." - but that's a slightly different matter...

...So for sake of argument I will accept and say that yes I do choose to not believe in free Will. But I will say that despite it being a choice, it's not a free one. And whatever I or you 'choose' to believe, won't change the reality of the matter that our choices aren't free, and our Will isn't free. I disbelieve that our Will itself is free, that our choices are free - it's not that I disbelieve that we make choices or have a Will at all, that's undeniably obvious.

P.S: I edited my previous post here, I meant to say that I'm a pessimistic incompatabilist not compatabilist.

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