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Hell
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RE: Hell
(October 11, 2009 at 9:03 pm)ecolox Wrote: Too much text, too much repetition. In sum, curiosity...do you think God should have banned curiosity from His consciously intelligent creations? Even people who do good all of their lives can wonder about evil, try it and get hooked.

I think if God is truly perfect, he would be able to have created things so there was far less immorality than there is, and he would be able to still add curiosity in.

If God is really Perfect, do you think he would not be able to have done a better job than this? Do you think he could not have determined it though people could be "curious", without the kind of immoral and otherwise detrimental shit - that does go on - from going on in the world?

(October 12, 2009 at 12:15 pm)solarwave Wrote: This has made me realise i dont fully understand how the death of Jesus saves, so im looking into it now.

But to try and answer you question I'll say it is mercy not justice.
Has God not got a better way of being 'merciful' than incarnating himself as his own son and having himself tortured? How is that merciful? Hasn't he got a better way of demonstrating a moral lesson of some sort, than by doing that? He's supposed to be perfect. Why does he have to 'forgive sins' that way?

Quote:If we can only do good it isn't full free will is it. Bad things happening is just part of the world we live in.

Why can't he just have made humans so they were naturally good, so then when they make choices with their "free will", the choices were made were naturally always moral? Can't have made us humans a lot more perfect and Godly like he is at least supposed to be?

Note: I am playing Devil's Advocate here, because not only do I not believe in God, I don't believe in Free Will either.

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RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - November 3, 2009 at 6:38 am
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RE: Hell - by Rhizomorph13 - November 4, 2009 at 12:35 pm
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RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 4, 2009 at 4:06 pm
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RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - November 5, 2009 at 5:49 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 4, 2009 at 1:14 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 4, 2009 at 4:31 pm
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RE: Hell - by Rhizomorph13 - November 4, 2009 at 5:00 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 4, 2009 at 5:06 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 4, 2009 at 5:16 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 4, 2009 at 5:34 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 4, 2009 at 6:59 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 4, 2009 at 7:07 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 5, 2009 at 4:41 am
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 4:53 am
RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 5, 2009 at 4:55 am
RE: Hell - by Tiberius - November 5, 2009 at 5:05 am
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 6:19 am
RE: Hell - by Tiberius - November 5, 2009 at 7:13 am
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 5, 2009 at 12:36 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 1:40 pm
RE: Hell - by Meatball - November 5, 2009 at 1:48 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 1:52 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 5, 2009 at 4:24 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 5, 2009 at 7:07 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - November 5, 2009 at 7:37 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 5, 2009 at 7:12 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 7:19 pm
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RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - November 5, 2009 at 8:13 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 9:23 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 6, 2009 at 12:41 am
RE: Hell - by Pillowpants - November 12, 2009 at 6:53 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 12, 2009 at 6:59 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - November 13, 2009 at 2:12 pm

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