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Hell
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RE: Hell
I personally think it's ridiculous that you can somehow argue that 'God's understanding of morality transcends petty human understanding'... because why would a supreme God create such petty humans that can't understand morality like he can, and who do such almost unspeakable things in places over the world?

So you see immorality and imperfection in a world that was supposedly perfectly made (he didn't do an at all shabby job) by God, and you explain that all away by saying that he understands it in ways we don't?

Sure, I would imagine a perfect being's understanding would transcend ours , but what makes you think that it's so plausible that this is 'all part of his plan'. and that he would really allow such bullshit to go on in the world he supposedly perfectly created... if he really is so perfect, so divine, and so compassionate?

This is just my views on the implausibility in my eyes, by how God, if he exists, can in any way be good by what we mean when we say good. If it transcends our understanding then surely it must transcend our definition? Because the way the world is certainly doesn't match the definition... it's not "perfect" or "nice" for the world to be exactly how it is, it would be better if it is better.

Sure maybe he's "good" 'in ways we don't understand', but then that's not what we mean by "good" is it?...

... how is God, if he exists, "good" considering the state of the world, if "Good" is to be used by what we - generally - mean when we say good? How is this loving, compassionate, perfect, divine work by a God? If it transcends all those things, then how does it match our definitions of them? And if it doesn't match the definitions, why believe God is "Good" in the first place? He could be anything...

P.S: I don't claim to know anything here of course, this is all done by me hypothesising and looking at things through what I understand to be "good" or "bad", and others must do the same because it is by definition the only way that we can know what is "good" or "bad"...so to say God simply transcends them... how do we know that what he is is at all "good" then, if he can't fit our labels at all?

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Hell - by Retorth - October 2, 2009 at 7:37 am
RE: Hell - by Godless - October 2, 2009 at 7:47 am
RE: Hell - by AngelaRachnid - October 18, 2009 at 3:51 pm
RE: Hell - by Retorth - October 2, 2009 at 7:52 am
RE: Hell - by padraic - October 20, 2009 at 12:15 am
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 2, 2009 at 8:01 am
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RE: Hell - by theblindferrengi - October 2, 2009 at 9:46 am
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - October 2, 2009 at 10:50 am
RE: Hell - by Rhizomorph13 - October 2, 2009 at 11:23 am
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 2, 2009 at 11:30 am
RE: Hell - by leo-rcc - October 2, 2009 at 11:32 am
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - October 2, 2009 at 11:26 am
RE: Hell - by Craveman - October 2, 2009 at 11:56 am
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 2, 2009 at 3:40 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 3, 2009 at 4:05 pm
RE: Hell - by Retorth - October 4, 2009 at 1:44 am
RE: Hell - by Ryft - October 4, 2009 at 5:25 am
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 4, 2009 at 2:18 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 4, 2009 at 3:10 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 7, 2009 at 10:16 am
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 7, 2009 at 11:34 am
RE: Hell - by ecolox - October 9, 2009 at 9:49 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 10, 2009 at 5:46 am
RE: Hell - by ecolox - October 10, 2009 at 11:06 am
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 10, 2009 at 1:03 pm
RE: Hell - by ecolox - October 10, 2009 at 5:21 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - October 4, 2009 at 4:26 pm
RE: Hell - by Ryft - October 5, 2009 at 1:51 am
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - October 5, 2009 at 11:55 am
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - October 7, 2009 at 11:54 am
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 8, 2009 at 4:02 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 8, 2009 at 5:41 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 9, 2009 at 3:38 am
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 9, 2009 at 5:16 am
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 9, 2009 at 6:02 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 9, 2009 at 6:21 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 9, 2009 at 6:35 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 9, 2009 at 6:50 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 9, 2009 at 6:57 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 9, 2009 at 7:05 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 10, 2009 at 12:51 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 10, 2009 at 3:51 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 10, 2009 at 9:21 pm
RE: Hell - by ecolox - October 10, 2009 at 9:57 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 12, 2009 at 12:15 pm
RE: Hell - by theVOID - October 12, 2009 at 12:26 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 7, 2009 at 12:56 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - October 7, 2009 at 1:07 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 7, 2009 at 4:30 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 7, 2009 at 4:40 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 7, 2009 at 4:50 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 7, 2009 at 5:00 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 7, 2009 at 5:04 pm
RE: Hell - by leo-rcc - October 8, 2009 at 4:10 am
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 8, 2009 at 1:19 pm
RE: Hell - by Rhizomorph13 - October 7, 2009 at 5:15 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 7, 2009 at 6:58 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 7, 2009 at 7:37 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 7, 2009 at 7:43 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 7, 2009 at 7:50 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 8, 2009 at 3:50 am
RE: Hell - by padraic - October 7, 2009 at 8:31 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 7, 2009 at 9:10 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - October 8, 2009 at 12:03 pm
RE: Hell - by padraic - October 9, 2009 at 5:11 am
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 9, 2009 at 6:34 am
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - October 8, 2009 at 3:00 pm
RE: Hell - by Rhizomorph13 - October 8, 2009 at 3:13 pm
RE: Hell - by Meatball - October 9, 2009 at 1:40 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 10, 2009 at 6:19 pm
RE: Hell - by ecolox - October 10, 2009 at 9:15 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 11, 2009 at 6:24 am
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 10, 2009 at 10:06 pm
RE: Hell - by ecolox - October 10, 2009 at 10:25 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 11, 2009 at 6:37 am
RE: Hell - by ecolox - October 11, 2009 at 12:35 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 11, 2009 at 8:39 pm
RE: Hell - by ecolox - October 11, 2009 at 9:03 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 15, 2009 at 10:49 pm
RE: Hell - by ecolox - October 16, 2009 at 4:32 pm
RE: Hell - by AngelaRachnid - October 18, 2009 at 3:59 pm
RE: Hell - by Retorth - October 11, 2009 at 8:15 am
RE: Hell - by Retorth - October 11, 2009 at 1:14 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - October 13, 2009 at 12:34 pm
RE: Hell - by Rhizomorph13 - October 13, 2009 at 1:11 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - October 13, 2009 at 2:00 pm
RE: Hell - by Secularone - October 13, 2009 at 2:41 pm
RE: Hell - by Rhizomorph13 - October 13, 2009 at 3:37 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - October 13, 2009 at 3:41 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 13, 2009 at 3:57 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 18, 2009 at 2:12 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 18, 2009 at 3:53 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 18, 2009 at 5:15 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 18, 2009 at 5:59 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 18, 2009 at 9:07 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 19, 2009 at 8:13 am
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 19, 2009 at 5:40 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 19, 2009 at 6:14 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 19, 2009 at 8:05 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 19, 2009 at 8:10 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 19, 2009 at 8:17 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 19, 2009 at 8:37 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 19, 2009 at 8:44 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 19, 2009 at 8:50 pm
RE: Hell - by theVOID - October 19, 2009 at 8:52 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 20, 2009 at 1:23 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 20, 2009 at 8:41 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 20, 2009 at 9:05 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 21, 2009 at 3:23 am
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 26, 2009 at 11:50 am
RE: Hell - by theVOID - October 21, 2009 at 3:40 am
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 21, 2009 at 2:24 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 21, 2009 at 4:41 pm
RE: Hell - by Rhizomorph13 - October 21, 2009 at 4:53 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 21, 2009 at 5:01 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 21, 2009 at 6:08 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 21, 2009 at 6:10 pm
RE: Hell - by AngelaRachnid - October 21, 2009 at 8:40 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 24, 2009 at 2:50 pm
RE: Hell - by ecolox - October 24, 2009 at 3:13 pm
RE: Hell - by AngelaRachnid - October 24, 2009 at 4:42 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 22, 2009 at 3:18 am
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 22, 2009 at 3:30 am
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 22, 2009 at 3:45 am
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 22, 2009 at 3:50 am
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 22, 2009 at 4:34 am
RE: Hell - by theblindferrengi - October 22, 2009 at 8:42 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 22, 2009 at 8:48 pm
RE: Hell - by theblindferrengi - October 22, 2009 at 8:50 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 24, 2009 at 3:46 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 26, 2009 at 6:43 am
RE: Hell - by Meatball - October 26, 2009 at 10:48 am
RE: Hell - by amw79 - October 26, 2009 at 10:59 am
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 28, 2009 at 12:34 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - October 29, 2009 at 1:08 am
RE: Hell - by Tiberius - October 29, 2009 at 8:30 am
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - October 29, 2009 at 11:20 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 30, 2009 at 2:59 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - October 30, 2009 at 3:43 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 30, 2009 at 4:59 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2009 at 5:15 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - October 30, 2009 at 8:28 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 31, 2009 at 8:06 am
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 31, 2009 at 9:55 am
RE: Hell - by Minimalist - October 31, 2009 at 10:47 am
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 31, 2009 at 3:40 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 31, 2009 at 4:42 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2009 at 5:28 pm
RE: Hell - by Minimalist - October 31, 2009 at 6:56 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 31, 2009 at 7:26 pm
RE: Hell - by Minimalist - November 5, 2009 at 11:52 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 31, 2009 at 8:02 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2009 at 8:46 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - November 3, 2009 at 6:38 am
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 3, 2009 at 10:38 am
RE: Hell - by leo-rcc - November 3, 2009 at 11:35 am
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 3, 2009 at 7:12 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - November 3, 2009 at 8:13 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 3, 2009 at 8:18 pm
RE: Hell - by Tiberius - November 4, 2009 at 6:06 am
RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 4, 2009 at 12:07 pm
RE: Hell - by Rhizomorph13 - November 4, 2009 at 12:35 pm
RE: Hell - by Tiberius - November 4, 2009 at 2:31 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 4, 2009 at 4:06 pm
RE: Hell - by Rhizomorph13 - November 4, 2009 at 4:39 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - November 5, 2009 at 5:49 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 4, 2009 at 1:14 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 4, 2009 at 4:31 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 4, 2009 at 4:56 pm
RE: Hell - by Rhizomorph13 - November 4, 2009 at 5:00 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 4, 2009 at 5:06 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 4, 2009 at 5:16 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 4, 2009 at 5:34 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 4, 2009 at 6:59 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 4, 2009 at 7:07 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 5, 2009 at 4:41 am
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 4:53 am
RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 5, 2009 at 4:55 am
RE: Hell - by Tiberius - November 5, 2009 at 5:05 am
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 6:19 am
RE: Hell - by Tiberius - November 5, 2009 at 7:13 am
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 5, 2009 at 12:36 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 1:40 pm
RE: Hell - by Meatball - November 5, 2009 at 1:48 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 1:52 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 5, 2009 at 4:24 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 5, 2009 at 7:07 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - November 5, 2009 at 7:37 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 5, 2009 at 7:12 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 7:19 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 5, 2009 at 7:50 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - November 5, 2009 at 8:13 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 9:23 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 6, 2009 at 12:41 am
RE: Hell - by Pillowpants - November 12, 2009 at 6:53 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 12, 2009 at 6:59 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - November 13, 2009 at 2:12 pm

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