(January 5, 2013 at 3:31 pm)Tiberius Wrote: "Can God make a rock so heavy he cannot lift it?" is a loaded question, and a logical fallacy.The question is as rubbish as "Can God make square circles?" but the semantics behind it is valid, as its actually all originating from the omnipotence paradox. Then we start going down this whole "Types of omnipotence" bullshit. You're either all-powerful, or you're not, there is no "in-between".
At the very most, it only denies an absolutist version of omnipotence that almost nobody believes in in the first place. The question could really be asked this way: "Can God make square circles?". Most theists I've talked to believe in a version of omnipotence in which God can perform every action that is logically possible.
For this reason the "omni" labels are self-defeating, self-contradictory terms that carry way too much baggage and should be prohibited from modern use.
(January 5, 2013 at 3:40 pm)Psykhronic Wrote: This. God still acts in accordance to his laws and reality, and also cannot make someone/thing greater than himself since he is the greatest.Which is not all-powerful. A magical all-powerful genie should be able to create another genie who's more powerful than the original. If the genie is bound by reality, by the laws of logic and physics, then its not all-powerful, just merely a powerful genie.
Omnipotence is a frigging useless word.
And, actually this thread can go fuck itself for all I care. I fucking hate arguing over arbitrary labels and semantics. >.>