(October 13, 2009 at 12:26 pm)amw79 Wrote: But the belief system of Christianity benefits itself from having this as a doctrine ...
Huh?
(October 13, 2009 at 12:26 pm)amw79 Wrote: And hang on: you're stating that Christianity "denies those acts are moral at all." Why? Because they were commited by a non-Christian.
No, that is not why those acts are immoral. You are ignoring the very post you're responding to, in which I said very clearly, "The moral value of some act is determined by its correspondence to the nature and will of God, not by whether the person committing the act is Christian or not. Non-Christians are intellectually capable of understanding God's commands and physiologically capable of obeying them. The problem isn't that he can't, but rather that he won't. He could obey God’s law if he desired to do so, he could trust in Christ if he had any love for God. 'Man is guilty for the simple reason that, in his sinful rebellion, he refuses to do that which he has the full mental and physical ability to do'."
(October 13, 2009 at 12:26 pm)amw79 Wrote: Anyways, the above quote [the Christian view of morality denies that those acts are moral at all] just epitomizes my original problem—that you have, without a hint of irony that I could detect, likened a moral act commited by a non-Christian with "the acts of a sociopathic serial killer." I don't even know where to start with that one!
Nice misquote. Good thing those who are reading this can scroll back a couple posts to see what I actually said.
(October 14, 2009 at 10:21 am)Eilonnwy Wrote: But arguably the parents produced the child and, therefore, that child belongs to the parent.
But not arguable under the Christian view, Eilonnwy, which your questions were inquiring after. Under the Christian view, parents do not own their children. Moreover, nobody owns anything because God has never given up ownership of everything—again, under the Christian view. It's sort of akin to what Carl Sagan said: "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." Couples reproduce offspring from already existing stuff, and it all belongs to God, including the couple themselves. Under the Christian view, parents are stewards of their children, not owners, and morally culpable to God for their stewardship, or how they treated that which belongs to him.
Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)