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jesus and muhammed real or not
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RE: jesus and muhammed real or not
Quote:The earliest (documented) Christian knowledge of Muhammad stems from Byzantine sources, written shortly after Muhammad's death in 632.

The link mentions the "doctrina Jacobi" which does not mention "mohammed." Here is the passage in question.

Quote:Doctrina Jacobi (July 634)

[Jacob, himself a convert, wrote to encourage Christian faith in Jews of Carthage, forcibly converted in 632, in a tract that was completed before "the thirteenth of July in the seventh indiction," i.e. 634, when Jacob left Carthage. In it his cousin Justus appears telling how he heard of the killing of a member of the imperial guard, or candidatus, in a letter from his brother Abraham in Caesarea, in which the following appears.]

When the candidatus was killed by the Saracens, I was at Caesarea and I set off by boat to Sykamina. People were saying "the candidatus has been killed," and we Jews were overjoyed. And they were saying that the prophet had appeared, coming with the Saracens, and that he was proclaiming the advent of the anointed one, the Christ who was to come. I, having arrived at Sykamina, stopped by a certain old man well-versed in scriptures, and I said to him: "What can you tell me about the prophet who has appeared with the Saracens?" He replied, groaning deeply: "He is false, for the prophets do not come armed with a sword. Truly they are works of anarchy being committed today and I fear that the first Christ to come, whom the Christians worship, was the one sent by God and we instead are preparing to receive the Antichrist. Indeed, Isaiah said that the Jews would retain a perverted and hardened heart until all the earth should be devastated. But you go, master Abraham, and find out about the prophet who has appeared." So I, Abraham, inquired and heard from those who had met him that there was no truth to be found in the so-called prophet, only the shedding of men's blood. He says also that he has the keys of paradise, which is incredible. (Doctrina Jacobi V.16, 209. [p. 57])

Not only is this (at best) hearsay to the 3d degree written by a citizen of far-away Carthage it does not mention mohamed.
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jesus and muhammed real or not - by paulpablo - January 7, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: jesus and muhammed real or not - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 7, 2013 at 7:14 pm
RE: jesus and muhammed real or not - by Ben Davis - January 7, 2013 at 7:17 pm
RE: jesus and muhammed real or not - by paulpablo - January 7, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RE: jesus and muhammed real or not - by Minimalist - January 7, 2013 at 7:28 pm
RE: jesus and muhammed real or not - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 7, 2013 at 7:30 pm
RE: jesus and muhammed real or not - by paulpablo - January 7, 2013 at 7:38 pm
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RE: jesus and muhammed real or not - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 7, 2013 at 7:35 pm
RE: jesus and muhammed real or not - by CapnAwesome - January 7, 2013 at 11:21 pm
RE: jesus and muhammed real or not - by paulpablo - January 8, 2013 at 9:15 am
RE: jesus and muhammed real or not - by Minimalist - January 7, 2013 at 11:38 pm
RE: jesus and muhammed real or not - by KichigaiNeko - January 8, 2013 at 5:00 am
RE: jesus and muhammed real or not - by Minimalist - January 8, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: jesus and muhammed real or not - by paulpablo - January 8, 2013 at 11:50 am
RE: jesus and muhammed real or not - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 2:37 pm
RE: jesus and muhammed real or not - by Minimalist - January 8, 2013 at 1:01 pm
RE: jesus and muhammed real or not - by paulpablo - January 9, 2013 at 2:48 am
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