Burden of Proof

[Simon Moon]

I by myself have no other method, but of course I can hold within the framework of my own system that I can pray the The Holy Spirit allows them to be open to persuasion

Pretty meaningless.

Would this make any sense to you if a Muslim said (about Christians), "of course I can hold withing the framework of my own system that I can pray that Allah allows them to be open to persuasion".

By the way, in the 'framework of your own system', what is the outcome for atheists when we die if we continue to disbelieve that the Christian god exists?

I am open to persuasion. Provide me evidence and reasoned argument and I will be persuaded. Oh wait, you refuse to provide us with them. But even worse, you don't value them.

and that being human logic will not be all they would understand

It is not all that we understand. I'm sure all atheists here understand; beauty, love, fear, etc. None of which are logical.

and what would be the tipping point

Your 'god' created me with a mind that will only accept evidence and reasoned argument to support extraordinary claims. If 'he' is omniscient, 'he' should know this. Why does 'he' refuse to provide me with it?

I don't know maybe just seeing that it may have some value in their life at another level be it emotional or psychological

Not likely. I do not value belief in unsupported claims, even if they would bring some sort of emotional or psychological rewards. I care way too much if my beliefs are true, or at least likely to be true. It is what is called 'intellectual honesty'.

As George Bernard Shaw once said, "The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."

through experience of that value being realised they come to believe as I do without the over riding need for proofs.

Because you care much more if your beliefs make you feel all 'warm and fuzzy' than if they are true or not. Some of us have too much intellectual honesty for that.

Not everything needs to be proved true or false and depending on the situation then use appropriate tools.

What are those 'tools' that are appropriate in the case of believing a god exists? Why are they better than evidence and reasoned argument? Should I apply them to ALL gods, or only the one you happen to believe exists?