(January 9, 2013 at 6:35 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(January 9, 2013 at 5:28 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: Logic, logic, logic i'm going to listen to the music not count the notes and discuss the bars and movements. Then I will make my decision if I like what I hear. I understand there is uncertainty inherent in my position but that's why I call it a faith and I can live with that.
This 'logic' that you continually toss off as something so unimportant or meaningless, has lead to every advance (including the computer and internet you are currently using) there is.
The thing that you continue to miss, is that every belief and every argument can be examined for validity using logic. If the argument and belief does not hold up to logic, it is invalid.
If you want to continue to believe it nonetheless, fine. As long as you're happy basing your beliefs on how they make you feel instead of logic and evidence, have at it.
Remember, you came to an atheist forum, asserting that your god exists without supporting your assertions. Then you complain when we call you on it.
But know this, just because you think that logic and evidence are unimportant to discerning reality from fiction, does not make it so.
I don't but I don't see it as being the only method to make an advancement, as after all if random processes can create a universe then why not a typewriter or a civilisation. But then again I don't believe in random forces even at the microcosmic level.
The geneticist Steve Jones has noted it as a mystery which is ‘unanswered by science’, a point which is echoed by Jared Diamond:
... we descend to a glaring failure: the inability of twentieth-century science to formulate an adequate Theory of Penis Length... astonishing as it seems, important functions of the human penis remain obscure.
I won't wait (sry have'nt) for science to prove or explain fully the origin of the penis with logic before putting it to good use. Logic didn't come into it.
Seems Einstein didn't wait for logic either
Albert Einstein wrote on the discovery of laws:
“There is no logical way to the discovery of these elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind appearance.” (Beveridge, 1950)