(February 6, 2013 at 5:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I would never disallow evidence, let alone 'proof', that purports to support a claim. Give me something I can sink my teeth into and I'll chew it over.This is what I can't get over, around or through. I can't provide you anything, Because I did not make the orginal claim. I can only tell you how to get the proof God promised all who want it.
Quote:The most I've ever seen dished up are the usual warmed-over apologetic table scraps and unsatisfying platitudinous gristle. They may be carefully presented with touches of garnish here and there, but ultimately their nourishment value is deeply lacking.Why? Because The Whole of Christianity Can not Produce what God has promised. It is upto God to provide proof.
Quote:Let's try an analogy. You stand in court accused of some sundry crime. The prosecution builds its case on claims that you did the deed, but the jury is expected to believe that the claims are evidence enough to convict you. At best the case hinges on promises of third party testimony which is never presented, from a single witness who is never identified and never appears to testify. Based on your words above, and considering that potentially many years of your life are at stake, would this be a fair trial?As stated no. But who to say your view of the pending trial is accurate? that what this whole discussion amounts to. It's all about perception an one's right to perspective. Not to take anything away from what you have surrounded yourself with, but there is no trial. (Even on the day of Judgement there is no trial.) Nothing is being weighed nor is there anything being established. It really simple God has provided a path for us to follow if we want to verify what He has told us. If we want said verfication we will do as instructed, if not (for whatever reason) we will not. there is no debate or weighing of facts or closing statements. We will do as God instructed or we will not.
The only task set before any believer is to point to Promise God has made to all of us. We can not provide proof because we have been given nothing (more than our testamonies) to provide you with. Which Means quite literally that God is the only one who can provide proof that He is God. If you think about it, if anyone else could, then God would not be God... For He has told us He hides Himself to all but those who earnestly seek Him.
Quote:Exactly. If it were something tangible, such as car keys, to carry on looking for them after you find them would indeed be pointless.It's been my personal experience that God is indeed tangable. That is why I stopped looking for myself and have given myself to help others find Him.
Quote:Yet "God" is the ultimate investigation-killer, the ultimate non-answer.Only For those who do not know God.
Quote: "God" is sold as the explanation for everything from the Origins of Everything to the whims of the weather. Why did an earthquake destroy such-and-such city and kill thousands of people? God. Where did flesh-eating bacteria come from? God. What makes water wet? God. Why did the chicken cross the road? God. Who put the ram in the rama-lama-ding-dong? Wait, wait, don't tell me; I know this one...What about this one? Where did science come from? The Church, in that orginally it was purposed to investigate how it was God accomplished things in this world. But as it turned out, it simply created a devotion/worship for the method in which things of this world work, rather than the method maker.
Quote:Ever see that Simpsons episode with Lucy Lawless at a sci-fi convention, fielding audience questions about Xena? She was asked to explain certain plot holes and production errors in the series, to which she replied "It's really quite simple. Every time you see something like that, a wizard did it." For ten points, can you identify why that is an unsatisfying answer?Because lucy did not create the series she only acted a part. Therefore she had no way of giving an answer that would fill the need for an answer. But at the same time lucy never claimed to create the show nor answer everyone's questions did she?
If you want a real answer then know only one being can provide that for you, also remember He will only do so if you humble yoourself and appproach Him as instructed.
