RE: Earth - Proof of God?
February 7, 2013 at 10:54 am
(This post was last modified: February 7, 2013 at 10:58 am by Drich.)
(February 7, 2013 at 3:35 am)Cinjin Wrote: You just answered Esquilax's question with both a No and a Yes.No I did not. for Faith and belief are not the same thing. Faith is akin to unsubstanciated trust. Belief is based on knoweledge that is founded in experience and or evidence, of what one believes.
It takes the smallest amount of unsubstanciated trust, to be given whatever you personally need to establish and maintain not only belief, but an actual interactive relationship.
Quote:The problem with your ridiculous 'seek and ye shall find' method of finding proof is of course, that many atheists were former christians who found nothing but blow hards like you. Your worn out cliche of a response is always the same: "You weren't really a true christian ... you weren't looking hard enough ... you didn't really believe." It's packaged-up theological fucktardery. You spin your words in circles in an effort to produce proof that is nothing more than the fuzzy feelings of a gullible half-wit.Sincerity has never once entered into a response when someone asks "why did I not find, when I asked."
My only response to that question is to inturn ask: Did you do it God's way? or did you do it your way?
Ultimatly if you did not do it God's way (as outlined by Luke 11) Why would you assume that you would find anything? God rewards the humble, and punishes the proud. If you can not humble yourself to do things God's way, then why would He reward you with what you seek?
If you tell you boy to clean his room before he does "X" with his friends, do you let him do "X" if he 'cleans' to his standard by shoving everything under the bed? Or do you make him do things your way?
If you know how to be a good parent and make him do things your way, and not allow your son to establish a reward system based on cutting corners and or misrepersenting himself ,or the things that he has done. Then How much more is God to hold you to the things He has established and proclaimed that we do?
If God allows you to half ass your way into belief, then doesn't it stand to reason that you will half ass your way into everything else concerning him? God's standards are absolute and unchanging, and we still get 'luke warm' believers. If God just let us do our own thing then it would be next to impossiable for any of us to establish the quality of relationship He is looking for and offering. Dooming all of us to Hell.
(February 7, 2013 at 9:06 am)Esquilax Wrote: But why would I ever make that leap?
Because we want to know God.
Quote:Because faith isn't some neutral thing, one doesn't just have a store of spare faith that gets assigned as needed: you have faith in things. Why would I ever play into this case of special pleading by allowing myself faith in your god, when I don't prize faith as a virtuous thing. Faith is just tarted up intellectual laziness.
says who?? Your peers? Those who taught you how to think?? The 'great minds' you look up to?? Do you see the irony yet???