RE: Earth - Proof of God?
February 8, 2013 at 5:29 pm
(This post was last modified: February 8, 2013 at 5:31 pm by catfish.)
Jeremiah 8:8
New International Version (NIV)
8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise,
for we have the law of the Lord,”
when actually the lying pen of the scribes
has handled it falsely?
The scribes lied, God never commanded it...
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Translation: Drich is really good at pushing buttons and Cthulhu Dreaming isn't... (sorry, couldn't resist)
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New International Version (NIV)
8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise,
for we have the law of the Lord,”
when actually the lying pen of the scribes
has handled it falsely?
The scribes lied, God never commanded it...
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(February 8, 2013 at 5:09 pm)Stimbo Wrote:(February 8, 2013 at 4:52 pm)Drich Wrote: can you explain how you think this is a case of special pleading?
Certainly. In this case, you have urged anyone interested to follow the instructions you say are written in scripture to obtain enlightenment, or whatever phrase you want to plug in there. Doing so in the manner you say you have done will yield the stated results. CD and others have explained that they have done just as you say, not once and then giving up but persisting in it for many years, without any result. To them, this means there is nothing to find and nothing to ask, or at least that the prescribed method does not work. To you, it means that they did something wrong, though you base this conclusion on the lack of result rather than knowledge of what they actually did (since you could not possibly know). In other words, it looks like this:
D: Hey, try pressing this button; you get chocolate!
CD: [presses button] It doesn't seem to work.
D: Oh, it works alright. Try pressing harder!
CD: [presses harder] Nope.
D: Come on - you nearly had it!
[CD keeps pressing; nothing happens]
D: You've got to want it more than that! Maybe you just don't believe enough!
Ten years later...
D: ... Oh, come on, you're just not trying!
CD: This damn thing's got to be broken!
D: Well, it worked for me. Obviously you didn't want chocolate in the first place.
And so on. Special pleading. The button works every time, but only if your heart is pure, you really want it to work, you press it precisely as it wants to be pressed etc etc etc.
Translation: Drich is really good at pushing buttons and Cthulhu Dreaming isn't... (sorry, couldn't resist)
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