RE: Not Using "Agnostic" Anymore
February 19, 2013 at 12:08 am
(This post was last modified: February 19, 2013 at 12:08 am by rexbeccarox.)
(February 18, 2013 at 11:52 pm)naimless Wrote:
Well I'm glad you raised the point and I like the idea of defining the keywords in the thread first of all - if only this could be done for every word and every debate.
As it should.
Quote:Nevertheless, there are a few issues here.
You can be an atheist and have a lack of belief in god. You can also be an atheist and have a belief that god will never exist. The 8/7 view, as I like to say.
Most atheists I have encountered are <=6/7, but the perception is nearly always 7-8/7.
This is where agnosticism is helpful. Anyone with any rationality can agree that we do not know everything - as you mentioned this is a given. Except it genuinely isn't.
Except, when it comes to knowledge of a supreme being, it is. No one can know for sure.
Quote:It's like I told my woman she was beautiful ten times a day. Ten times a day she'd smile, then look away.
I get frustrated with people not understanding my experience of definitions either. However, to say "fuck you, I'm not helping you understand me" is to be even more close-minded on the issue.
There does come a point, after a few years, when trying to help your woman understand she is beautiful, that you realise, she doesn't trust it or you. I told her, on the day I quit, you don't love me, you love the relationship.
Except beauty is subjective. Existence of a supreme being isn't.
Quote:A lot of people enjoy the argument for entertainment. However, I enter debate because I want to be proven wrong. Once you understand the motivations, as well as the definitions of the person who you are debating with, it is a lot easier.
But yes, we communicate in miscommunication so I write "other" or "music" on any forms. It's just as valid an expression for me.
I was really just talking about conversation in general, with the semantic debate coming as a result. I rarely seek out a debate.
(February 19, 2013 at 12:00 am)popeyespappy Wrote:(February 18, 2013 at 11:29 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Theists usually don't tack on the word "agnostic" (although I realize the arrogance of most of their positions prevents this)
Yea, most of them fall into the gnostic category.
But, part of my point is, they don't. They aren't gnostic, they just call themselves that. No one can know.