Being good without god

[EGross]

Nah, that's all fine and dandy, just don't be trying to support the "uncorrupted text" position and I don't care what you believe... :-

I am off to bed. Maintaing my talmid chocham persona take a lot out of me!

So we have gone in several circles. The current position of this circle is:

The Tanach is corrupt and cannot be trusted.
(Tanach = the 5 books, the prophets, and the writings)

The Book of Matthew relies on the Tanach for all of it's prophesies that Jesus supposedly fulfilled.

So the problem with taking such a position is that it is truthful to say that he fulfilled nothing since the source from which he had to fulfill is itself not trustworthy, based on your opinion noted above.

But I do understand your quandry.

You see, book of Matthew is riddled with non-existing prophecies, changed/mangled prophecies, and items that are not prophecies, but called "fulfilled". It also contains names in a genealogy for which there is no source, and has a marriage for which there is no source. Now the best solution to this, obviously, is to call the whole thing corrupt while really, REALLY, wanting to maintain those parts that will support your position, while discarding those that undermine your position.

(I wrote a treatise on those problems about 10+ years ago, back when I was helping Jews for Judaism, and it took 168 pages just to explain all of the problems).

Hopefully you see the problem with such a position, especially since the Church Fathers were so adamant on appending their texts to the existing Jewish ones. Would they have done so had they thought that their foundation was contaminated, like a bad scientific sample? One would not think so, but it isn't without possibilities.

But it isn't new. I have hear some recent Christian apologetists proclaim that the Greek text of the Old Testament is the true text. The problem is that all of the "weird shit", as you called it, is still in the Greek text too.

Anyhow, I get dizzy from spinning rides.

Good luck on your journey.

Now back to my atheist persona!