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Being good without god
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RE: Being good without god
(February 24, 2013 at 5:31 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Perhaps the choice of pre-existing implies a temporal concept I did not mean. What I mean is that a rational universe is contingent upon a rational order, not the other way around. Either way your response begs the question. How can a constructed logic be constructed without logic? You could not synthesize empirical experiences without a priori ability to do so.

Not quite.

The term "rational universe" is redundant. Saying something like "the universe/reality has to or does conform to an order of logic or rationality" would be nonsensical. The universe is what it is and it works in ways inherent to its nature. It was not created - nor is it made to conform - to any standard of logic and rationality identified as separate from itself.

Now, we, who observe the universe, work out how it works and what is its nature and that collections of concepts lead us to logic or rationality. When considering other things - specific aspects of universe - that fit in with what we've worked out - we deem it logical or rational.
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Being good without god - by Baalzebutt - February 11, 2013 at 5:02 pm
RE: Being good without god - by My imaginary friend is GOD - February 11, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Mister Agenda - February 21, 2013 at 4:45 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Baalzebutt - February 11, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Minimalist - February 11, 2013 at 9:16 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Jackalope - February 11, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Baalzebutt - February 12, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Angrboda - February 12, 2013 at 3:33 am
RE: Being good without god - by Anymouse - February 12, 2013 at 4:13 am
RE: Being good without god - by Angrboda - February 12, 2013 at 4:35 am
RE: Being good without god - by Anymouse - February 12, 2013 at 7:07 am
RE: Being good without god - by Angrboda - February 14, 2013 at 1:43 am
RE: Being good without god - by genkaus - February 12, 2013 at 9:07 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Neo-Scholastic - February 22, 2013 at 5:03 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Mister Agenda - February 22, 2013 at 5:59 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Angrboda - February 22, 2013 at 11:44 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Neo-Scholastic - February 23, 2013 at 9:25 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Esquilax - February 24, 2013 at 9:46 am
RE: Being good without god - by Neo-Scholastic - February 24, 2013 at 5:31 pm
RE: Being good without god - by genkaus - February 24, 2013 at 8:42 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Neo-Scholastic - February 24, 2013 at 10:11 pm
RE: Being good without god - by genkaus - February 25, 2013 at 11:26 am
RE: Being good without god - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Being good without god - by genkaus - February 25, 2013 at 1:01 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Gabriel Syme - February 12, 2013 at 9:55 am
RE: Being good without god - by genkaus - February 12, 2013 at 8:40 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Baalzebutt - February 12, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Aegrus - February 12, 2013 at 9:48 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Kayenneh - February 14, 2013 at 2:23 am
RE: Being good without god - by Finn - February 14, 2013 at 2:50 am
RE: Being good without god - by genkaus - February 14, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: Being good without god - by CleanShavenJesus - February 14, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Baalzebutt - February 14, 2013 at 6:30 pm
RE: Being good without god - by CleanShavenJesus - February 14, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Baalzebutt - February 14, 2013 at 6:33 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Esquilax - February 15, 2013 at 12:14 am
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 14, 2013 at 10:55 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Cyberman - February 14, 2013 at 11:05 pm
RE: Being good without god - by iameatingjam - February 21, 2013 at 12:38 am
RE: Being good without god - by EGross - February 21, 2013 at 7:57 am
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 21, 2013 at 8:13 am
RE: Being good without god - by Esquilax - February 21, 2013 at 10:54 am
RE: Being good without god - by EGross - February 21, 2013 at 2:55 pm
RE: Being good without god - by The Grand Nudger - February 21, 2013 at 10:49 am
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 21, 2013 at 11:11 am
RE: Being good without god - by Esquilax - February 23, 2013 at 1:50 am
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 23, 2013 at 1:56 am
RE: Being good without god - by Esquilax - February 23, 2013 at 2:11 am
RE: Being good without god - by Cato - February 23, 2013 at 2:26 am
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 21, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: Being good without god - by EGross - February 21, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 21, 2013 at 4:04 pm
RE: Being good without god - by EGross - February 21, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 21, 2013 at 4:43 pm
RE: Being good without god - by EGross - February 21, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 21, 2013 at 5:31 pm
RE: Being good without god - by iameatingjam - February 22, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 22, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Baalzebutt - February 22, 2013 at 2:31 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 22, 2013 at 2:57 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Baalzebutt - February 22, 2013 at 3:06 pm
RE: Being good without god - by iameatingjam - February 22, 2013 at 11:47 pm
RE: Being good without god - by The Grand Nudger - February 22, 2013 at 2:40 pm
RE: Being good without god - by The Grand Nudger - February 22, 2013 at 3:09 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 22, 2013 at 3:12 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Cyberman - February 22, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: Being good without god - by The Grand Nudger - February 22, 2013 at 3:14 pm
RE: Being good without god - by The Grand Nudger - February 22, 2013 at 5:53 pm
RE: Being good without god - by The Grand Nudger - February 22, 2013 at 6:09 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 23, 2013 at 3:28 am
RE: Being good without god - by Cato - February 23, 2013 at 3:35 am
RE: Being good without god - by Esquilax - February 23, 2013 at 3:42 am
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 23, 2013 at 3:44 am
RE: Being good without god - by Esquilax - February 23, 2013 at 3:55 am
RE: Being good without god - by Cato - February 23, 2013 at 4:09 am
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 23, 2013 at 4:00 am
RE: Being good without god - by Esquilax - February 23, 2013 at 4:03 am
RE: Being good without god - by Cyberman - February 23, 2013 at 7:05 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 24, 2013 at 11:27 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 23, 2013 at 4:09 am
RE: Being good without god - by Cato - February 23, 2013 at 4:12 am
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 23, 2013 at 4:15 am
RE: Being good without god - by Cato - February 23, 2013 at 5:13 am
RE: Being good without god - by Justtristo - February 23, 2013 at 4:19 am
RE: Being good without god - by Creed of Heresy - February 23, 2013 at 7:18 pm
RE: Being good without god - by wandering soul - March 3, 2013 at 10:28 am
RE: Being good without god - by The Grand Nudger - February 24, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: Being good without god - by EGross - February 24, 2013 at 2:26 am
RE: Being good without god - by Nobody - February 24, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Cyberman - February 24, 2013 at 11:29 pm
RE: Being good without god - by The Grand Nudger - February 25, 2013 at 12:39 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Angrboda - February 25, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Whateverist - March 9, 2013 at 11:05 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Gonzalo697 - March 9, 2013 at 9:09 pm

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