(February 24, 2013 at 8:42 pm)genkaus Wrote: The term "rational universe" is redundant. Saying something like "the universe/reality has to or does conform to an order of logic or rationality" would be nonsensical. The universe is what it is and it works in ways inherent to its nature. It was not created - nor is it made to conform - to any standard of logic and rationality identified as separate from itself.Something can have an inherent quality that is also contingent. Inherent describes how a quality persists as an essential part of something in space and time. Contingent means that without that quality the thing could not exist at all. From my pespective, rationality can be identified as something separate from material being, just as mathematics can deal with formal properties not physically manifest, or just as we can discuss the form of a thing apart from its substance. But this debate is centuries old going all the way back to Plato and Aristotle, is it not?
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Being good without god - by Baalzebutt - February 11, 2013 at 5:02 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Something completely different - February 11, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RE: Being good without god - by My imaginary friend is GOD - February 11, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Mister Agenda - February 21, 2013 at 4:45 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Baalzebutt - February 11, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Minimalist - February 11, 2013 at 9:16 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Jackalope - February 11, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Baalzebutt - February 12, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Angrboda - February 12, 2013 at 3:33 am
RE: Being good without god - by Anymouse - February 12, 2013 at 4:13 am
RE: Being good without god - by Angrboda - February 12, 2013 at 4:35 am
RE: Being good without god - by Anymouse - February 12, 2013 at 7:07 am
RE: Being good without god - by Angrboda - February 14, 2013 at 1:43 am
RE: Being good without god - by genkaus - February 12, 2013 at 9:07 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Neo-Scholastic - February 22, 2013 at 5:03 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Mister Agenda - February 22, 2013 at 5:59 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Angrboda - February 22, 2013 at 11:44 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Neo-Scholastic - February 23, 2013 at 9:25 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Esquilax - February 24, 2013 at 9:46 am
RE: Being good without god - by Neo-Scholastic - February 24, 2013 at 5:31 pm
RE: Being good without god - by genkaus - February 24, 2013 at 8:42 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Neo-Scholastic - February 24, 2013 at 10:11 pm
RE: Being good without god - by genkaus - February 25, 2013 at 11:26 am
RE: Being good without god - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Being good without god - by genkaus - February 25, 2013 at 1:01 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Gabriel Syme - February 12, 2013 at 9:55 am
RE: Being good without god - by genkaus - February 12, 2013 at 8:40 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Baalzebutt - February 12, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Aegrus - February 12, 2013 at 9:48 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Kayenneh - February 14, 2013 at 2:23 am
RE: Being good without god - by Finn - February 14, 2013 at 2:50 am
RE: Being good without god - by genkaus - February 14, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: Being good without god - by CleanShavenJesus - February 14, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Baalzebutt - February 14, 2013 at 6:30 pm
RE: Being good without god - by CleanShavenJesus - February 14, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Baalzebutt - February 14, 2013 at 6:33 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Esquilax - February 15, 2013 at 12:14 am
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 14, 2013 at 10:55 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Cyberman - February 14, 2013 at 11:05 pm
RE: Being good without god - by iameatingjam - February 21, 2013 at 12:38 am
RE: Being good without god - by EGross - February 21, 2013 at 7:57 am
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 21, 2013 at 8:13 am
RE: Being good without god - by Esquilax - February 21, 2013 at 10:54 am
RE: Being good without god - by EGross - February 21, 2013 at 2:55 pm
RE: Being good without god - by The Grand Nudger - February 21, 2013 at 10:49 am
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 21, 2013 at 11:11 am
RE: Being good without god - by Esquilax - February 23, 2013 at 1:50 am
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 23, 2013 at 1:56 am
RE: Being good without god - by Esquilax - February 23, 2013 at 2:11 am
RE: Being good without god - by Cato - February 23, 2013 at 2:26 am
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 21, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: Being good without god - by EGross - February 21, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 21, 2013 at 4:04 pm
RE: Being good without god - by EGross - February 21, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 21, 2013 at 4:43 pm
RE: Being good without god - by EGross - February 21, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 21, 2013 at 5:31 pm
RE: Being good without god - by iameatingjam - February 22, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 22, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Baalzebutt - February 22, 2013 at 2:31 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 22, 2013 at 2:57 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Baalzebutt - February 22, 2013 at 3:06 pm
RE: Being good without god - by iameatingjam - February 22, 2013 at 11:47 pm
RE: Being good without god - by The Grand Nudger - February 22, 2013 at 2:40 pm
RE: Being good without god - by The Grand Nudger - February 22, 2013 at 3:09 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 22, 2013 at 3:12 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Cyberman - February 22, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: Being good without god - by The Grand Nudger - February 22, 2013 at 3:14 pm
RE: Being good without god - by The Grand Nudger - February 22, 2013 at 5:53 pm
RE: Being good without god - by The Grand Nudger - February 22, 2013 at 6:09 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 23, 2013 at 3:28 am
RE: Being good without god - by Cato - February 23, 2013 at 3:35 am
RE: Being good without god - by Esquilax - February 23, 2013 at 3:42 am
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 23, 2013 at 3:44 am
RE: Being good without god - by Esquilax - February 23, 2013 at 3:55 am
RE: Being good without god - by Cato - February 23, 2013 at 4:09 am
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 23, 2013 at 4:00 am
RE: Being good without god - by Esquilax - February 23, 2013 at 4:03 am
RE: Being good without god - by Cyberman - February 23, 2013 at 7:05 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 24, 2013 at 11:27 pm
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 23, 2013 at 4:09 am
RE: Being good without god - by Cato - February 23, 2013 at 4:12 am
RE: Being good without god - by catfish - February 23, 2013 at 4:15 am
RE: Being good without god - by Cato - February 23, 2013 at 5:13 am
RE: Being good without god - by Justtristo - February 23, 2013 at 4:19 am
RE: Being good without god - by Creed of Heresy - February 23, 2013 at 7:18 pm
RE: Being good without god - by wandering soul - March 3, 2013 at 10:28 am
RE: Being good without god - by The Grand Nudger - February 24, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: Being good without god - by EGross - February 24, 2013 at 2:26 am
RE: Being good without god - by Nobody - February 24, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Cyberman - February 24, 2013 at 11:29 pm
RE: Being good without god - by The Grand Nudger - February 25, 2013 at 12:39 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Angrboda - February 25, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Whateverist - March 9, 2013 at 11:05 pm
RE: Being good without god - by xXUKAtheistForTheTruthXx - March 3, 2013 at 5:27 pm
RE: Being good without god - by Gonzalo697 - March 9, 2013 at 9:09 pm
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