RE: Being good without god
February 25, 2013 at 11:56 am
(This post was last modified: February 25, 2013 at 12:11 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
(February 25, 2013 at 11:26 am)genkaus Wrote: That is the core of our every debate, isn't it? You see that concepts like rationality, mathematics, form etc. can be considered and discussed as apart from their physical counterparts and assume that they are in a distinct category of their own.Pretty much.
(February 25, 2013 at 11:26 am)genkaus Wrote: The mistake is that you do not try to understand how these categories came about. How they are developed slowly and painstakingly through conscious observation of the material and therefore are dependent upon it.Whereas I think that is your mistake. The best example which I can think of is the distinction between things required for the universe to exist, like mathematical certainties, and universal constants, like the speed of light. One can conceive of a universe in which one or all of the known physical constants have different values, however, you cannot conceive of a universe in which 1+1=3. Knowledge of constants (inherencies) can come from empirical observation alone, but to acquire empirical knowledge of mathematical certainties (contingencies), say by setting apples in a row, there must be an a priori knowledge, knowledge that could be obtained by pure reason alone. Many mathematical concepts, like higher dimensions, are developed before they find real world application.
I'll let you have the last word. I don't want to divert the thread too much away from OP.