RE: Hell might not be eternal
February 26, 2013 at 4:23 am
(This post was last modified: February 26, 2013 at 4:46 am by WinterHold.)
(February 25, 2013 at 8:04 pm)Nobody Wrote: Hell as a star? So,then when it goes supernova that's mercy?
Thing is, if you believe in a deity that bears the 'omni' characteristics, and also believe he is sovereign, then your life from the moment it began until the moment it ends and all that occurs thereafter is predestined.
Ergo, you think you have free will. But in truth given those aforementioned characteristics of that deity, you do not. Therefore, you're simply living your destiny while no matter what you do, your fate is set.
It's like the ancient Vikings who imagined life was a skein already woven as the story of their individual life. Nothing in the picture wherein they're presence helps to make the 'big picture' will ever change no matter what they do. So why worry? When it's all unfolding as was laid out long before they arrived.
That's the exact copy that follows with all monotheistic sovereign god myths that speak of a reward for the compliant, and a punishment for the rebellious.
And by the way, why would a supreme being need to have lesser beings obey it's will so that it is pleased? It's like asking an ant to live up to our expectations that it be more than an ant, else we'll squish it and teach it a lesson for being just an ant.
Yep..might be :p I try to think about all possibilities actually ; and this is one..but yes it is mercy, compared to infinity.
But allow me to "fix" some of the wrong concepts you have about god in Islam
.sovereignty is what humans way of being "territorial" but on a country scale. Actually we are being sovereign about god not the opposite.
Earth is ours according to Islam, it was given it to us especially, with a promise from god that this earth is going to end after a certain duration. So when a religion comes ; actually god is the visitor & you are being sovereign -as a human-.
Also, put in mind that god in Islam is not a person ; he's not a "humanoid" who owns a magic staff like his description in many other religions, he's something else ; totally else.
Notice that we live here without any intervention from the outside.. why ?
About the free will, everybody has it actually, if god is divine he would know your fate. But he will never force it on you, but to some extenct yes, we don't have full free will.
We don't chose how we look like, where we are born or who our parents are. This is the "cycle theory" which I concluded after studying Islam ; I'll open a topic about that soon.
This life is nothing more than a test ; each of us has a different exam paper.
(February 25, 2013 at 9:14 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Well our star won't do that - far too small on its own - so mercy doesn't really apply, at least on those lines. Mind you, all this red giant stuff is a huge retcon anyway, as Atlas recognises. There's no way anyone can get such an interpretation just from reading the text, only by taking what we have discovered independently from any supposedly holy books and plugging that information into them. If we're going to go down that road, I could be equally justified in saying that hell is a black hole, or some future antimatter experiment gone wrong. I'm guessing it's something to do with tribbles.
umm, I think it might do that ,stimbo. The link says that the sun will expand into a red giant & absorb the surrounding planets..sun's size is perfect to fit a possibility of turning into a red giant.
But yes,that's gambling to be honest, and the argument is more Sci-Fi than religion
(February 25, 2013 at 7:55 pm)paulpablo Wrote: ok so we have a hell where people dwell there for as long as there is an earth and sky, and we have a heaven which people will dwell in for as long as there is earth and sky with the exception of what?
so theres a heaven which people dwell in for as long as the earth and sky exist except what allah have wished, what does that mean?
Quote: with the exception of what
God's wish & will.
Quote:so theres a heaven which people dwell in for as long as the earth and sky exist except what allah have wished, what does that mean?
It means they would last for the same duration as the skies -outer space- . But that duration can be ended or stopped or even extended according to god's wish.
For hell, god said after the wish : "god does what he wishes". which means : you'll never know if it's going forever or not.
For heaven, god said after the wish "unstoppable bestowal", which means : the wish of god for the people of heaven is actually unstoppable bestowal -eternal bestowal- which is a promise that heaven is eternal, and god will wish only unstoppable bestowal for the people of heaven.
Don't hesitate to ask again if you didn't get it
