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Pascal's Wager (the new version)
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RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version)
(February 27, 2013 at 2:33 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: As Pascal asserts that if one wagers and there is no god, one has lost nothing (e.g. V(l) is always zero, and the equation can be simplified to P(g) * V(reward). Pascal, in my view, is wrong to assert that.

Pascal ignores other relevant factors (possibly a result of presupposing that there's only one god, and it's his). The probability of winning the wager is NOT simply the probability that there is a god - presumably, one much choose the correct god, one's belief must be sufficiently sincere, and one must worship correctly:

EV = (F(ce) * V(reward)) + ((1 - F(ce)) * (-V(l))
Actually it doesn't matter at all, you make many other factors and put probabilities for them
Your life will worth nothing near the end of your life i.e. =0
The probability of God (any God) will always be greater than 0

(February 27, 2013 at 1:38 pm)Faith No More Wrote: What if the one true god's condition for sending someone to hell is because you have worshiped it?
Even that it will only reduce the probability of worshiping that God
It has no effect on the conclusion

Quote:It seems to me that this line of thinking only works if you have a specific god already in mind.
This will be the next stage, we can eliminate impossible Gods
and wage for only possible/logical Gods

(February 27, 2013 at 1:07 pm)Psykhronic Wrote: I'll take my chances.
This is exactly what am I talking about
Taking your chances means waging for a religion

(February 27, 2013 at 1:03 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Surely the value of a person's life must be considered in its entirety?
Then it has no value at all, you will be dead so your life worth nothing (if there is no God)

Quote:That doesn't make sense, does it? How much longer I have to live can't have an effect on the probability of the numerator in your equation.
If the formula to be written correctly, it is a limit as your life goes to Zero not an equation! (I don't have a math editor to write it accurately)

Limit as L-->0
P(G)/L = Infinity

where L is your remaining life

(February 27, 2013 at 7:15 am)FallentoReason Wrote: You're assuming our emotions are accurate. Prove it.
The proof will come in another thread
This thread is about statistics

I was just pointing that not all people convert to a religion because of a mathematical proof, many people follow their emotions
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Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 3:45 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - February 27, 2013 at 3:52 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 4:03 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - February 27, 2013 at 4:07 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 4:16 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - February 27, 2013 at 4:21 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - February 27, 2013 at 4:10 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - February 27, 2013 at 4:21 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 4:31 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - February 27, 2013 at 4:38 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 4:44 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - February 27, 2013 at 7:15 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - February 27, 2013 at 7:46 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Zen Badger - February 27, 2013 at 8:15 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - February 27, 2013 at 8:21 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by downbeatplumb - February 27, 2013 at 1:51 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Confused Ape - February 27, 2013 at 8:25 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - February 27, 2013 at 4:54 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 5:04 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Kayenneh - February 27, 2013 at 5:15 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 5:37 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by pocaracas - February 27, 2013 at 5:48 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 6:12 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by pocaracas - February 27, 2013 at 6:25 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Zen Badger - February 27, 2013 at 6:47 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Kayenneh - February 27, 2013 at 6:48 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by pocaracas - February 27, 2013 at 7:00 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - February 27, 2013 at 7:00 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Kayenneh - February 27, 2013 at 7:02 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - February 27, 2013 at 7:02 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by genkaus - February 27, 2013 at 8:36 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 8:44 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by genkaus - February 27, 2013 at 9:53 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by LastPoet - February 27, 2013 at 9:51 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by pocaracas - February 27, 2013 at 9:54 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Kayenneh - February 27, 2013 at 10:58 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - February 27, 2013 at 11:16 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Minimalist - February 27, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Mister Agenda - February 27, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Question Mark - February 27, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Jackalope - February 27, 2013 at 1:07 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - February 27, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Psykhronic - February 27, 2013 at 1:07 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Tiberius - February 27, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Faith No More - February 27, 2013 at 1:38 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Jackalope - February 27, 2013 at 2:33 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 28, 2013 at 3:43 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Esquilax - February 28, 2013 at 4:14 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Simon Moon - March 2, 2013 at 1:17 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Mister Agenda - March 4, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cyberman - March 4, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - February 27, 2013 at 3:25 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Jackalope - February 28, 2013 at 4:03 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 28, 2013 at 4:10 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by pocaracas - February 28, 2013 at 6:31 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by pocaracas - March 5, 2013 at 6:57 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Zen Badger - February 28, 2013 at 6:41 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - March 1, 2013 at 12:01 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Question Mark - March 1, 2013 at 12:08 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Kayenneh - February 28, 2013 at 5:03 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - February 28, 2013 at 5:30 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - February 28, 2013 at 6:39 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - February 28, 2013 at 6:42 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Norfolk And Chance - February 28, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cyberman - March 1, 2013 at 12:36 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Minimalist - March 1, 2013 at 12:50 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Kayenneh - March 1, 2013 at 1:04 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cyberman - March 1, 2013 at 1:08 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - March 1, 2013 at 1:25 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Zen Badger - March 1, 2013 at 3:44 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cyberman - March 1, 2013 at 1:31 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - March 1, 2013 at 5:50 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cato - March 2, 2013 at 2:52 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by genkaus - March 2, 2013 at 2:19 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - March 2, 2013 at 4:28 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cinjin - March 2, 2013 at 4:59 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by jots - March 2, 2013 at 6:14 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by genkaus - March 2, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by genkaus - March 2, 2013 at 2:56 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Mister Agenda - March 4, 2013 at 5:12 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - March 2, 2013 at 2:35 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Kayenneh - March 2, 2013 at 5:49 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - March 2, 2013 at 12:48 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Question Mark - March 2, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - March 2, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Question Mark - March 2, 2013 at 10:20 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Kayenneh - March 2, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - March 2, 2013 at 2:46 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - March 3, 2013 at 3:30 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - March 3, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - March 3, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Confused Ape - March 4, 2013 at 9:06 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by MysticKnight - March 3, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Question Mark - March 3, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by MysticKnight - March 3, 2013 at 12:23 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by CapnAwesome - March 3, 2013 at 1:34 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cyberman - March 4, 2013 at 3:01 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - March 4, 2013 at 6:08 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by EGross - March 4, 2013 at 7:32 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cyberman - March 4, 2013 at 8:17 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - March 4, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - March 10, 2013 at 8:29 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Darkstar - March 10, 2013 at 3:53 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by MysticKnight - March 10, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 2:07 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 2:16 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 3:11 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 3:36 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 4:14 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 8:16 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - March 11, 2013 at 11:29 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cyberman - March 11, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by pocaracas - March 4, 2013 at 5:52 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by EGross - March 4, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by EGross - March 5, 2013 at 4:11 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Brian37 - March 5, 2013 at 7:04 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - March 5, 2013 at 11:21 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Creed of Heresy - March 10, 2013 at 11:49 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - March 11, 2013 at 3:35 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - March 11, 2013 at 8:26 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - March 12, 2013 at 1:25 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - March 12, 2013 at 1:27 am

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