(February 27, 2013 at 3:41 am)missluckie26 Wrote: With as much respect as I can muster
As much as that?
I am honoured
(February 27, 2013 at 3:41 am)missluckie26 Wrote: I have to disagree with you on this "We is innocent, u is a nazi" stance you've taken.
Who is the "u" you refer to?
Are you claiming to be a member of FEMEN?
I only described my thoughts on the original posters question, I didn't align myself against you or any other poster.
(February 27, 2013 at 3:41 am)missluckie26 Wrote: Catholics are the last people on earth to be touting off about Nazism
I was not "touting off about Nazism".
I was putting the behaviour of the women in context, by giving another example of where hateful people thought it acceptable to try to offend/hurt others who are different, and interfere with their fundamental rights.
(February 27, 2013 at 3:41 am)missluckie26 Wrote: All of these references were pulled straight from wikipedia itself.
Wikipedia isn't such a great reference, I try to avoid using it, if I can - as anyone can edit it, and so on many topics, (especially divisive ones), it can become a worthless source.
I only use it if it gives "proper" references to support its article.
You don't actually link any to any of the info, further undermining your arguments.
To briefly discuss the accuracy of some of your claims:
Magadlen Laundries
The McAleese report has recently given its findings on the Magdalen laundries. It found the reality is very different to popular perception, thanks to the film of the same name and, er, Wikipedia etc!
- not a single case of sexual abuse (the film suggested this was endemic)
- vast majority of people not subject to corporal punishment (lets not forget that until only a few decades ago, corporal punishment was a normal part of society, including to control school-children).
- many women actually spoke positively of the nuns
- the Irish Government themselves send 25% of the women there, why do they escape criticism?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brenda...-straight/
The film Magdalen Laundries is actually a piece of malicious fiction.
700,000 Serbs killed 1940-45
Are you aware this was during world war 2?
The idea in a war is to kill many of the other side.
WW2 saw a lot of vicious fighting, murder and genocide - including in the Balkans, where Catholic Croatia had aligned with Nazi Germany, and Orthodox Serbia with Communist Russia.
(these were contemporary revivals of historical alliances in the specific area, more than they were the sharing of any Nazi or Communist ideology).
I am not sure how you can attribute killings or murders carried out by Croat troops, during a war, to the Catholic Church, simply because the Croats are nominally Catholic.
I think that's a pretty laughable argument, to be honest.
Individuals are responsible for their own actions and decisions. Its called liberty.
If I crash my car, is that the Catholic Church's fault too?
The allies ("the good guys") dropped two nuclear bombs on civilians during the war.
(1) How many people do you think that killed?
(2) Should the Church of England or other protestant denomination be blamed for that?
international Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State
This is a loony-organisation run by a crackpot protestant preacher.
Quote:Our understanding is that, in the wake of pressure to have him resign his office because of his proven complicity in concealing child trafficking in his church and other crimes against humanity, Joseph Ratzinger is seeking the assistance of the Italian government in securing protection and immunity from legal prosecution.
- what he says is based on "his understanding" (the qualifier shows he is not stating facts)
- the former Pope abdicated due to his age/frailty/ill-health, not "proven complicity" in crime.
For one thing, as a Pope he was a head of state, and so immune from prosecution. So he gave up his immunity, because he was shown to be guilty? DOH!
(Hey cleetus, dontcha think he would to keep his immunity in that scenario?)
He left the Vatican state the other evening and has since been staying at a location outside of Rome. He is no longer a head of state.
Yet - where are the arrest warrants? The police?
They are nowhere, because he is not guilty of any crime and no-one is seeking his arrest.
You need to be really careful about what you believe. The Catholic Church isn't perfect, but a lot of people tell a lot of vicious lies about it, mainly because they don't like what the Church has to say.
It is quite chilling to me, how easily many people are taken in by this -when evidence is clearly available to the contrary - especially young people.
Still it is an excellent example of propaganda techniques and the power of the media, not to say a general lack of critical thinking in society.
I have to pop out just now, but will return to the thread soon if you want to chat!
Bye for now!
GS
