(March 1, 2013 at 10:42 am)genkaus Wrote:To you it is meaningless because you reject all types of cause except efficient cause. Formal cause, material cause, and final cause all have no reference to space-time relationships. That does not prevent these other types of cause from affecting the flow of one event into the next. In fact they are essential to it.(February 28, 2013 at 11:52 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: I'm paraphrasing..."God is not in time. God is the cause that time is. Nor is God in space. God is the cause that space is." Something to that effect.Equally meaningless. Cause and effect are spatio-temporal by definition. Talking about causes outside the context of space and time makes no sense.
No one is suggesting that there was a time before time or space beyond space. All I am saying is that the activity of 'quantum vacuum' of the prenatal universe needs an initial and on-going propensity to create and a set of limiting conditions to govern its manifestation.
