(March 4, 2013 at 12:19 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Some Muslims do teach that. No doubt. Are they the majority? No.
Can I judge Atheists by a minority of Atheists? How would you like that?
It's not fair.
Anyways, the goal posts are being moved.
Quran teaches a spirit of keeping peace and to resort to war only as a last resort. This is what the opening post was meant to prove.
Even if majority of Muslims believed it taught otherwise, it would not be due to the Quran being unclear regarding the issue, but being mislead by leaders who inherited from violent rulers in history.
But majority of Muslims believe it teaches peace.
Then the goal posts are moved further, in that, they should do something against those misrepresenting Islam with teachings of war and violence.
Then they are shown they do.
Then it's stated if Islam was a religion of peace, then why do they have to protest and work against those teaching violence....
It's stated why, then, lastly, it's emphasized some Muslims do believe it teaches to kill all disbelievers.
The most followed tafsir of Quran with Sunnis (majority sect) is that of Ibn Katheer, and he explains the verses in the same way as I do. That they are situation and the peace verses are not abrogated in an absolute sense, but were only abrogated in the situation (due to the fact the disbelievers had no intention of keeping peace).
Anyways, it seems people rather have misconceptions of Quran, Islam, Muslims, their scholars, etc, then find the truth.
Lastly you mentioned the "beat" verse, and yes that can be interpreted differently, it can be translated as "separate from" or "keep a distance from".
While I was Muslim, I didn't believing in beating your wife or killing infidels.
Haha, yes i know about the different interpretations of the wife beating verse, it can mean beat as if you were stopping her from jumping out of a window, it can mean beat with a toothpick, it can mean beat with an idea or beat using extreme words.
We have skipped arguments now, so now you do admit some muslims interprete the quran in way that promotes killing infidels and apostates.
You're just moving the goal posts of the argument after losing one point just move onto the next. First you say I'm wrong when i say muslims CAN intemperate the quran to promote terrorism then you say I'm right but a lot of muslims don't, well i never said a lot of muslims do, i say they can and some of them have.
So you admit now i was right when i said muslims can interpetate the quran to promote terrorism?
Just as an additional side note i hate this type of thing in arguments, I've had it before arguing with a muslim about evolution, they say evolution can't be true because if it were man would have evolved fur, then I said no because man has clothing fire and shelter, then the muslim said right well it's all speculation anyway. Get proved wrong in the argument then just retract to another point which has to be argued, its a common tactic which is so annoying.
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