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Pascal's Wager (the new version)
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version)
(March 3, 2013 at 2:23 pm)apophenia Wrote:
(March 3, 2013 at 1:28 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: To be perfectly honest (since I'd just make a fool of myself if I didn't admit it), your post kind of went over my head. You're saying that the value of an afterlife and what you receive by believing in the correct God affects the formula/wager? And if there is a God, the value of life increases if my belief is correct? I just want to make sure I understand you.

Let me give you a simple example. Suppose there is a lottery in which the prize is $100, and a lottery ticket costs $2, and you have a 1 in 1,000 chance of winning. You probably would have a hard time persuading those 1,000 people to participate, and if you succeeded, then something is probably messed up. The prize of $100 is simply not commensurate with the risk and the cost of playing. Now on the other hand, if you increased the prize to $100,000,000 ($100 million dollars), and kept the cost of the tickets and odds of winning the same, you'll find a lot more people who are eager and willing to participate. (I could also adjust the odds so that the risk/reward is relatively the same, which is really fun in terms of watching people's intuitions, but that's another matter entirely.) The simple point is, the bigger the prize, the more you're willing to risk for it.

Now, as this relates to Pascal's wager, if the prize is actually infinite, then by the same logic, any finite amount of risk (the $2 cost of a ticket, or a life spent worshipping a god) becomes insignificant in comparison. That's the appeal of Pascal's wager. The prize is so ginormous, and the risk so small, that only a fool wouldn't take that bet.

(As you and I and others have pointed out, there are likely other relevant issues, but this seems to be the fulcrum. I will note that I have a life long aversion to gambling, so I can't suggest what an experienced gambler or book maker might say on the matter. For whatever reason, I have always found gambling, as anything more than a social pastime, to be something that I can readily do without.)
Thanks you made my point very clear; I think if you continue thinking like this you will be Muslim soon Big Grin
Now let's add some more information or options

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Iff I can give you some evidences that Islam is a true religion, or at least a probable religion then it won't be gambling anymore

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Iff I can give you evidences that all other religion are impossible and Islam is the only possible/probable religion

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Iff I can prove (not just evidences) that Islam is the true religion

I think at least if you cannot refute some evidences, it will give enough probability to you to accept Islam

(March 3, 2013 at 11:42 am)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: The only way your new wager would work is if you said everything is better than nothing. That would give you a 100% chance of getting it right because you have all 22 religions covered. But unfortunately religion does not allow you to do that.
Very good point
Islam actually accept most other religions
According to Islam, God sent 24,000 prophets (our of them are 313 messengers)
They came with the same religion (different practices)
Adam, Noah, Ebraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohamed are from the same God and they had the same beliefs

A Muslim must accept that all those religions came from God
It is human who altered the teachings (books), except for Quran
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Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 3:45 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - February 27, 2013 at 3:52 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 4:03 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - February 27, 2013 at 4:07 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 4:16 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - February 27, 2013 at 4:21 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - February 27, 2013 at 4:10 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - February 27, 2013 at 4:21 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 4:31 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - February 27, 2013 at 4:38 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 4:44 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - February 27, 2013 at 7:15 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - February 27, 2013 at 7:46 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Zen Badger - February 27, 2013 at 8:15 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - February 27, 2013 at 8:21 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by downbeatplumb - February 27, 2013 at 1:51 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Confused Ape - February 27, 2013 at 8:25 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - February 27, 2013 at 4:54 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 5:04 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Kayenneh - February 27, 2013 at 5:15 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 5:37 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by pocaracas - February 27, 2013 at 5:48 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 6:12 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by pocaracas - February 27, 2013 at 6:25 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Zen Badger - February 27, 2013 at 6:47 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Kayenneh - February 27, 2013 at 6:48 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by pocaracas - February 27, 2013 at 7:00 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - February 27, 2013 at 7:00 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Kayenneh - February 27, 2013 at 7:02 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - February 27, 2013 at 7:02 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by genkaus - February 27, 2013 at 8:36 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 27, 2013 at 8:44 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by genkaus - February 27, 2013 at 9:53 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by LastPoet - February 27, 2013 at 9:51 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by pocaracas - February 27, 2013 at 9:54 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Kayenneh - February 27, 2013 at 10:58 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - February 27, 2013 at 11:16 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Minimalist - February 27, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Mister Agenda - February 27, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Question Mark - February 27, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Jackalope - February 27, 2013 at 1:07 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - February 27, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Psykhronic - February 27, 2013 at 1:07 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Tiberius - February 27, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Faith No More - February 27, 2013 at 1:38 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Jackalope - February 27, 2013 at 2:33 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 28, 2013 at 3:43 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Esquilax - February 28, 2013 at 4:14 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Simon Moon - March 2, 2013 at 1:17 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Mister Agenda - March 4, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cyberman - March 4, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - February 27, 2013 at 3:25 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Jackalope - February 28, 2013 at 4:03 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - February 28, 2013 at 4:10 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by pocaracas - February 28, 2013 at 6:31 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by pocaracas - March 5, 2013 at 6:57 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Zen Badger - February 28, 2013 at 6:41 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - March 1, 2013 at 12:01 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Question Mark - March 1, 2013 at 12:08 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Kayenneh - February 28, 2013 at 5:03 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - February 28, 2013 at 5:30 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - February 28, 2013 at 6:39 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - February 28, 2013 at 6:42 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Norfolk And Chance - February 28, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cyberman - March 1, 2013 at 12:36 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Minimalist - March 1, 2013 at 12:50 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Kayenneh - March 1, 2013 at 1:04 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cyberman - March 1, 2013 at 1:08 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - March 1, 2013 at 1:25 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Zen Badger - March 1, 2013 at 3:44 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cyberman - March 1, 2013 at 1:31 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - March 1, 2013 at 5:50 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cato - March 2, 2013 at 2:52 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by genkaus - March 2, 2013 at 2:19 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - March 2, 2013 at 4:28 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cinjin - March 2, 2013 at 4:59 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by jots - March 2, 2013 at 6:14 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by genkaus - March 2, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by genkaus - March 2, 2013 at 2:56 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Mister Agenda - March 4, 2013 at 5:12 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - March 2, 2013 at 2:35 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Kayenneh - March 2, 2013 at 5:49 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - March 2, 2013 at 12:48 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Question Mark - March 2, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by FallentoReason - March 2, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Question Mark - March 2, 2013 at 10:20 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Kayenneh - March 2, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - March 2, 2013 at 2:46 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - March 3, 2013 at 3:30 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - March 3, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - March 3, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - March 4, 2013 at 2:53 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Confused Ape - March 4, 2013 at 9:06 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by MysticKnight - March 3, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Question Mark - March 3, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by MysticKnight - March 3, 2013 at 12:23 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by CapnAwesome - March 3, 2013 at 1:34 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cyberman - March 4, 2013 at 3:01 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - March 4, 2013 at 6:08 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by EGross - March 4, 2013 at 7:32 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cyberman - March 4, 2013 at 8:17 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - March 4, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - March 10, 2013 at 8:29 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Darkstar - March 10, 2013 at 3:53 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by MysticKnight - March 10, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 2:07 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 2:16 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 3:11 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 3:36 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 4:14 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 8:16 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - March 11, 2013 at 11:29 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Cyberman - March 11, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by pocaracas - March 4, 2013 at 5:52 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by EGross - March 4, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by EGross - March 5, 2013 at 4:11 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Brian37 - March 5, 2013 at 7:04 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - March 5, 2013 at 11:21 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Creed of Heresy - March 10, 2013 at 11:49 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Angrboda - March 11, 2013 at 3:35 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - March 11, 2013 at 8:26 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by Ryantology - March 12, 2013 at 1:25 am
RE: Pascal's Wager (the new version) - by KichigaiNeko - March 12, 2013 at 1:27 am

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