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What is a proof?
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RE: What is a proof?
(March 5, 2013 at 6:38 am)EGross Wrote: It gets scarier, and I have had this exact same conversation with other Muslims.

If I lived in Saudi Arabia, and hung out with Osama bin Ladan, and we saw someone standing on a soap box, shouting that Allah requires that the first born son of all Muslim families be put to death to quell his anger, and that Mohammed had done so with his son. The punishment of such blasphemy would be imprisonment, flogging, amputation, hanging, or beheading, depending on the law. He would have been treated like some disgusting thing to be discarded.

Now, when Bin Laden gets up on the same soap box and makes his own declaration of death, he is in no danger of the same punishments, because it is not blasphemy, because all that he has said can be interpreted as valid. The very fact that no Fatwa for his crime of blasphemy was ever made against him is a proof by omission that his words are not so outside of the mainstream, and can find support in a faith of slaves.

Because when you are a slave, and the leadership gives you a command, you do it as a true believer. And so that is why you had several true believers obey Bin Laden, while they paused to pray to Allah, and look forward to their eternal reward for doing God's work. And until a decree for the death of such a person comes from a Mufti from within the faith, then is it not that Islam defines what Osama really is, but the other way around.

Slaves are dangerous.
Muslims are not slaves to other Muslims, only to God

(March 5, 2013 at 4:28 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Islam is submission to scholars.
You need to understand the whole system, but to make it simple

It is the same like the scientific community
When you are researching a scientific subject, you look for sources, theories, references, analyze them then make a conclusion

In Islam it is the same
The sources are Quran & Hadith
Some of the Hadith texts are verified some are doubtful others are totally wrong
Same for scientific articles and theories some are verified some are doubtful some are total hoax

You need to research and pick what do you think it is applicable and correct, if you cannot by yourself you can read what others said about them.

At the end God will not be unfair to you
According to Islam
If you tried and failed you will have a reward
If you tried and got the right direction you will have two

So even if you got something wrong, but you were honest in trying to obey God you will not be punished
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What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 2, 2013 at 2:05 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 2, 2013 at 2:20 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 2, 2013 at 2:23 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 2, 2013 at 2:28 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 2, 2013 at 2:42 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 2, 2013 at 3:05 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 2, 2013 at 3:13 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 2, 2013 at 3:29 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 2, 2013 at 3:44 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Kayenneh - March 2, 2013 at 3:34 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 2, 2013 at 5:46 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 2, 2013 at 1:34 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by Angrboda - March 2, 2013 at 1:14 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by downbeatplumb - March 2, 2013 at 5:50 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Question Mark - March 2, 2013 at 1:35 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by paulpablo - March 2, 2013 at 5:06 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 4, 2013 at 2:21 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Phish - March 2, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by xXUKAtheistForTheTruthXx - March 4, 2013 at 3:50 am
RE: What is a proof? - by xXUKAtheistForTheTruthXx - March 4, 2013 at 11:23 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 4, 2013 at 7:30 am
RE: What is a proof? - by EGross - March 4, 2013 at 7:38 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Cyberman - March 4, 2013 at 8:29 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 5, 2013 at 3:28 am
RE: What is a proof? - by MysticKnight - March 5, 2013 at 4:12 am
RE: What is a proof? - by EGross - March 5, 2013 at 4:21 am
RE: What is a proof? - by EGross - March 4, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: What is a proof? - by LastPoet - March 4, 2013 at 11:43 am
RE: What is a proof? - by EGross - March 4, 2013 at 11:48 am
RE: What is a proof? - by MysticKnight - March 5, 2013 at 4:28 am
RE: What is a proof? - by downbeatplumb - March 12, 2013 at 2:55 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by EGross - March 5, 2013 at 6:38 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 5, 2013 at 7:42 am
RE: What is a proof? - by EGross - March 5, 2013 at 4:22 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 6, 2013 at 1:53 am
RE: What is a proof? - by KichigaiNeko - March 5, 2013 at 10:18 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 5, 2013 at 10:26 am
RE: What is a proof? - by KichigaiNeko - March 5, 2013 at 10:29 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 5, 2013 at 10:35 am
RE: What is a proof? - by KichigaiNeko - March 5, 2013 at 10:50 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 5, 2013 at 11:01 am
RE: What is a proof? - by KichigaiNeko - March 5, 2013 at 11:09 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 5, 2013 at 12:26 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by KichigaiNeko - March 5, 2013 at 12:29 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 5, 2013 at 12:53 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by jstrodel - March 5, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by Cyberman - March 5, 2013 at 10:55 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by jstrodel - March 5, 2013 at 11:19 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by Cyberman - March 6, 2013 at 12:24 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Angrboda - March 11, 2013 at 3:54 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 4:18 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 2:18 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Cyberman - March 11, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 3:08 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 12, 2013 at 1:53 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Something completely different - March 12, 2013 at 2:15 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 12, 2013 at 3:40 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Something completely different - March 12, 2013 at 3:50 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 12, 2013 at 4:21 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Something completely different - March 12, 2013 at 4:39 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 12, 2013 at 6:26 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Something completely different - March 12, 2013 at 6:29 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Cyberman - March 12, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by KichigaiNeko - March 12, 2013 at 6:17 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Something completely different - March 12, 2013 at 6:24 am
RE: What is a proof? - by KichigaiNeko - March 12, 2013 at 6:27 am
RE: What is a proof? - by KichigaiNeko - March 12, 2013 at 6:34 am
RE: What is a proof? - by ManMachine - March 12, 2013 at 9:05 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 13, 2013 at 1:41 am
RE: What is a proof? - by ManMachine - March 13, 2013 at 10:19 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 16, 2013 at 8:11 am
RE: What is a proof? - by ManMachine - March 16, 2013 at 10:00 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Angrboda - March 16, 2013 at 1:02 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by Angrboda - March 13, 2013 at 3:25 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by jstrodel - March 16, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by MysticKnight - March 17, 2013 at 11:33 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Categories+Sheaves - April 5, 2013 at 7:02 am



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