RE: A Small Census
March 9, 2013 at 6:39 pm
(This post was last modified: March 9, 2013 at 6:44 pm by jstrodel.)
(March 9, 2013 at 5:55 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Cool story, bro.
Let me paraphrase what you just said for the benefit of people who have you on ignore. "Jesus told me that I don't have to listen to what Jesus said when he said not to judge people."
You are severely misunderstanding what the text means. The text does not mean that people are forbidden to judge, it warns against excessive judgement. Jesus judges people all the time. Right in the next verse he says "give and it will be given to you, a good measure, pressed down shaken together and running over, for with the same measure you meet it will be measured back to you". This is clearly talking about giving a good measure of judgement, Jesus wants people to have accurate discernment.
How many books about Christianity have you read in your life? The entire Christian faith hinges on judgement. The nature of Christian ministry is centered around preaching the Word of God which convicts peoples hearts and leads them to repent of selfish and prideful actions. It is a beautiful thing, and it does involve judgement. Sometimes people get hurt through this, which is sad, this is why Jesus cautions against excessive judgement.
There has never been a Christian leader in history who has not judged people, from the early church (read what they said to each other) to modern day.
The strongest weapons atheist's have against Christians is to severely distort the Christian message, through being ignorant of it themselves.
(March 9, 2013 at 6:08 pm)Kayenneh Wrote:(March 9, 2013 at 4:03 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Atheism is certainly not simply "the absence of belief"
Yes it is. I still don't see where you get the atheist=communist conclusion. Whilst on generalizations, I can draw a card and tell you that when I bother with politics, I'm actually Green. Go figure.
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No, we don't need to 'know in our hearts', all we need is to make good use of our eyes and brains in order to see that you are full of biased generalizations. And who gives a tiny rat's ass about 'average traditional American culture'? America has no bloody culture. (Sorry all decent Americans out there, but your nation is just too young to have any worthwhile 'culture'.)
I'm not saying that you are totally in the wrong, I'm just pointing out that when making sensationalist claims like that, you need to back up your notions with facts to be taken seriously.
Quote:Atheism draws its strength and central identifying features from radicals like Christopher Hitchens (also a drunk) who are Marxist.
Ah, the wonderful generalizations again.
A) You dare to say that the opinions of alcoholics is less worth than 'normal' people?
B) Once again, not all atheists are communists, but most communists are atheists. Try to understand the difference.
Quote:What you are doing is dishonest. There is no comparison between the lifestyle of Christopher Hitchens and a prisoner who repents of his sins and follows Christ in prison.
What a shoddy excuse. Yeah, I'll rape and molest a 10-year-old altar boy, but I believe in Christ, so all my praying in prison will make me good again. Bravo, you just won the title 'Most Sanctimonious Generalizationer of the Week'.
I never said all atheists are Communist. The fact that you are Green proves my point. Atheism is a left wing movement. It is absolutely linked to Communism as you correctly point out, as the Green party is linked to the Communist movement (though I doubt there are many greens who are sympathetic to the Soviet Union, the influence of the "Old Left" is significant among the various non-Marxist and neo-Marxist leftist groups).
Yes, absolutely, alcoholics are different from regular people. If people have severe, life controlling issues, they should get their issues together before they act as spiritual leaders. You are saying that society should not factor in whether someone is an alcoholic or not? WHY?
That is true that there are Catholic child molestors, and unfortunately, there are a fair number of them. I am not sure exactly what to do about that, it is a serious problem. But that is not representative of most Christians in the prison system. Most are people who have been convicted of crimes and receive ministry in prison, and either change their lives or go back and commit other crimes. The fact that some do go back and commit other crimes is significant, but many live changed lives afterwards.