RE: How did you work it out?
March 19, 2013 at 5:26 am
(This post was last modified: March 19, 2013 at 5:38 am by Little Rik.)
(March 18, 2013 at 7:11 am)Ben Davis Wrote:(March 18, 2013 at 4:16 am)enrico Wrote: I am still waiting that someone come up with a valid demostration that is possible to know if God exist or not by relying on physical science.This seems to me to be an argument from ignorance and here's why: a valid tool in the scientific method is to detect an object/force by its interactions with other objects/forces (e.g. planets cause 'wobble' in each others' orbits and the position of their star therefore we can use this to detect them). This seems to be the most suitable approach for detecting any theistic gods. Many claims have been made by believers of many faiths regarding the way that their god(s) has(have) intervened in their lives. These are all testable claims. Where there's been enough data to test them, they have all failed to support their claims. Further, where the claims are not testable, there are often known naturalistic mechanisms which could be used to explain what happened. Supernatural suppositions are therefore almost always dismissable as they have no explanatory power.
To know this sort of things about after life and different dimensions as i said in previous post one has got to use the right tool and physical science is definitively not the right tool.
When your son-daughter are very small you tend to guide them to adulthood but when they grow up you slowly let them take their own decisions.
The same thing happen between the creator and his creation so you will see that plant and animals are driven by instinct but the most evolved form of life like human life is not that is why the interaction between God and human is so different and people can not understand why God if ever exist does not put an end to suffering and all evil on earth.

Quote:If we're talking about deist gods, then the attributes are exactly the same as 'something which doesn't exist' therefore science can make no comment regarding its existence. Likewise, believers are also unjustified in holding any such position because to remain 'deist', there can be no interaction with believers; the god claim is useless and has no explanatory power.
I am not talking about atheist who do not care or are happy as they are without a God. I am talking about atheist who say.........SCIENCE SAY THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST.
It does not really matter if they mean a God that care or a God that does not care about his creation.
I am still waiting that some body come up with a demonstration that by using physical science it is possible to go outside his limitation and understand what lies outside his borders.

(March 18, 2013 at 5:44 am)Tonus Wrote:(March 18, 2013 at 4:16 am)enrico Wrote: I am still waiting that someone come up with a valid demostration that is possible to know if God exist or not by relying on physical science.
That's the point, isn't it? There is no way to demonstrate that god exists through the use of 'physical science,' as you refer to it. In any other facet of your life, not being able to prove the existence of something would convince you that it doesn't exist. But on this one subject, you add an unreasonable demand-- science must prove the NON-existence of something.
That is the sort of thing we do when we're trying to cling to something that we desperately wish were true. When we must abandon reason in order to make something true, it doesn't make it true. It just makes us unreasonable.
It seem to me that you follow that old saying........... ATTACKING IS THE BEST DEFENCE.
Sorry but is you guys that relaying on physical science to prove something that of course can not prove.
Would not be better to say............SO FAR PHYSICAL SCIENCE IS UNABLE TO DISPROVE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD SO I CAN NOT SAY THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST......THAT IS WHY THE WORD ATHEIST SHOULD ONLY MEAN .........SOMEONE THAT IS NOT INTERESTED IN GOD NOT THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST.
