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The 'old testament' argument
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RE: The 'old testament' argument
(March 21, 2013 at 6:09 am)Tonus Wrote: [quote='Godschild' pid='418127' dateline='1363833874']
You bought a TV and it made the decision to break, the manufacturer knows it could do this and wasn't caught off guard. It was perfect until it made a decision to short to ground. It worked fine until it made the decision to break, it did have the chose to act that way, we would have preferred it hadn't and so on and so on...

Tonus Wrote:You're looking at it from the TV's perspective, for some strange reason. I'm looking at it from the manufacturer's perspective. A responsible manufacturer would have said "hey, sorry about that, these things happen. We'll replace it or refund your money." An irresponsible one would make the excuses you see above.

Why would one look at it from the manufactures point, the manufacture did nothing wrong. You bought the TV with the knowledge it had a choice and might exercise that choice. It's the TV's fault it broke, it made a choice the manufacture would prefer the TV not make. The manufacture designed it with free choice, perfect in every way until it made the wrong choice.
You want to blame the designer for designing a perfect TV even when you know the TV has the ability to corrupt itself. The manufacture was not irresponsible, as a matter of fact the Manufacture in this case supplies a redemption plan.

Godschild Wrote:You can't change the facts of a story to fit your needs, I used exactly what scripture gives us you should try and do the same.

Tonus Wrote:We both did, you simply misunderstood where I was going with it. See my reply just above.

I understood exactly, you want to pass the blame to the innocent One. I'm not sure how you believe I changed any facts.

Godschild Wrote:As for your little idea about the origins of scripture give me the proof.

Tonus Wrote:Proof? That would imply evidence that probably does not exist any longer. The best I can offer is sites like this one, and specifically , which describes the two creation accounts and how their differences point to two different writers reflecting the political and cultural forces at play during their times.

Those are just works to discredit the scriptures, I could offer up works to completely disagree with those, that would leave us just where we are now. The account of creation is one account, the first part was an outline if you wish, the second part gives the details of the account, I've always found this to be quite obvious.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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The 'old testament' argument - by iameatingjam - March 12, 2013 at 11:47 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by paulpablo - March 12, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Celi - March 12, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by A_Nony_Mouse - March 24, 2013 at 4:21 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Joel - March 12, 2013 at 12:44 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Minimalist - March 12, 2013 at 1:51 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Joel - March 12, 2013 at 2:19 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Minimalist - March 12, 2013 at 2:21 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by iameatingjam - March 12, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by The Grand Nudger - March 12, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by NoMoreFaith - March 12, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by The Grand Nudger - March 12, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Angrboda - March 12, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by catfish - March 12, 2013 at 10:24 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Neo-Scholastic - March 12, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 19, 2013 at 1:26 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Darkstar - March 19, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Tonus - March 19, 2013 at 2:57 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 19, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Tonus - March 19, 2013 at 7:01 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 20, 2013 at 10:44 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Tonus - March 21, 2013 at 6:09 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by catfish - March 21, 2013 at 6:16 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Neo-Scholastic - March 21, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Tonus - March 21, 2013 at 2:25 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 21, 2013 at 4:41 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Tonus - March 21, 2013 at 8:08 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Neo-Scholastic - March 22, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 22, 2013 at 8:05 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by A_Nony_Mouse - March 24, 2013 at 8:57 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 25, 2013 at 2:06 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by A_Nony_Mouse - March 25, 2013 at 4:01 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 26, 2013 at 1:28 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by A_Nony_Mouse - March 27, 2013 at 3:00 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Neo-Scholastic - March 26, 2013 at 1:14 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by A_Nony_Mouse - March 27, 2013 at 1:51 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Minimalist - March 19, 2013 at 3:22 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Minimalist - March 19, 2013 at 5:42 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by EGross - March 21, 2013 at 4:50 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Minimalist - March 20, 2013 at 11:18 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by catfish - March 21, 2013 at 2:00 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Joel - March 21, 2013 at 5:51 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Joel - March 21, 2013 at 6:20 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Sagasa - March 21, 2013 at 4:15 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Ryantology - March 21, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Minimalist - March 24, 2013 at 9:31 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by A_Nony_Mouse - March 24, 2013 at 9:49 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Ryantology - March 25, 2013 at 3:34 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 25, 2013 at 3:56 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by Godschild - March 27, 2013 at 11:39 pm
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by A_Nony_Mouse - March 28, 2013 at 6:41 am
RE: The 'old testament' argument - by jstrodel - March 28, 2013 at 12:57 am

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