(March 22, 2013 at 3:23 pm)John V Wrote: Salvation from my sins.The entity you believe can save you and the one sentencing you to his pre-ordained torture from which you seek salvation is the very same. That would be no different than asking a man with the Gun to your head if you could be his servant instead of him shooting you.
(March 22, 2013 at 3:23 pm)John V Wrote: I don’t really give a shit if you admire my motivations.I didn't give you my opinion, and it wasn't my opinion I was hoping you'd reflect on, it was yours on what makes an act valuble. If I save a woman's life because I didn't want her child to grow up without a mother, is that more valuable than if I did it because I was expecting to be paid?
(March 22, 2013 at 3:23 pm)John V Wrote: Yeah, sounds really good, especially as I get older and realize I won’t have time in this life to do all the things I’d like to do.
So your faith is based on one of the first 2 fear bases. At least you admit it.
(March 22, 2013 at 3:23 pm)John V Wrote: I don’t really give a shit if you admire my motivations.Again, never offered you my opinion nor did I ask for yours about the one you assumed I had about yours.
(March 22, 2013 at 3:23 pm)John V Wrote: No, I don’t see anything wrong with having a goal in mind.Goal or bribe? I think we are having a disagreement over semantics. Let me be more specific. What's the difference between an act of pure heart and the act of an individual acting for personal gain?
Quote:The issue isn’t knowing, it’s doing.
That doesn't say anything as to why it's necessary for God to allow a man to be nailed to a cross and publicly slaughtered as a sacrafice to Himself for things that He is ultimately in charge of forgiving anyway. Who makes a Jesus-sacrafice a requirement for everybody else's sins to be forgiven and allowed access to heaven? Oh...The same God that is charge of who gets in and forgiving sins! This concept makes zero sense.
