The prize of Christianity

[The Reality Salesman01]

The entity you believe can save you and the one sentencing you to his pre-ordained torture from which you seek salvation is the very same. That would be no different than asking a man with the Gun to your head if you could be his servant instead of him shooting you.

And? I’d rather be a servant than be dead, and in your analogy, I would agree with the man that I deserved to be shot.

I don’t really give a shit if you admire my motivations.

I didn't give you my opinion,

Yes you did: “There would be nothing admirable in an intelligent person seeking a belief out of fear. They would have only been manipulated into saying such things and in the darkest places of their minds, doubt exists.” Those aren’t questions.

and it wasn't my opinion I was hoping you'd reflect on, it was yours on what makes an act valuble. If I save a woman's life because I didn't want her child to grow up without a mother, is that more valuable than if I did it because I was expecting to be paid?

And I addressed that: “Yeah, doing it because it’s right would be best, but if they do it out of fear of punishment and/or desire for reward, that’s fine.”

So your faith is based on one of the first 2 fear bases. At least you admit it.

That’s part of it, yes. Why shouldn’t I admit it? Fear is a powerful motivator. There are plenty of days I don’t want to go to work, but fear of homelessness gets me out of bed.

Again, never offered you my opinion nor did I ask for yours about the one you assumed I had about yours.

Again, yes, you gave your opinion.

Goal or bribe? I think we are having a disagreement over semantics. Let me be more specific. What's the difference between an act of pure heart and the act of an individual acting for personal gain?

Er, the difference is that the first is of pure heart and the second is for personal gain. You need to be yet more specific with your question.

That doesn't say anything as to why it's necessary for God to allow a man to be nailed to a cross and publicly slaughtered as a sacrafice to Himself for things that He is ultimately in charge of forgiving anyway. Who makes a Jesus-sacrafice a requirement for everybody else's sins to be forgiven and allowed access to heaven? Oh...The same God that is charge of who gets in and forgiving sins! This concept makes zero sense.

The problem is you’re looking for logic in a non-logical issue. Forgiveness is ultimately a matter of personal preference. You can’t prove that one requirement for forgiveness is correct and others are incorrect.
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I cannot argue with any of those responses. Usually self respecting people wouldn't share such pitiful beliefs on account of recognizing how pathetic and contradicting it would be for a loving God of any kind to subject their children to it, and therein throwing in the towel on the nature of their supposed master, but you jumped all over it! You sound like you're fraught with humility and fear. It sounds like you hate your job and live a life in blind ignorant servatude that sounds absolutely awful. If I were you, I think i'd rather put my dreams in a hope basket and pray for a better place too. Sounds like the guy upstairs owes you at least that. I mean it sounds like you've been taking his shit for a long time and you're cool with it so long as he pays up. I don't know how many people deserve to suffer and be tortured after death, but the least he can do is let the people like yourself into heaven that he stripped from of their happiness, dignity and pride during their life. Good on you Mr! If you see no shame in being a prideless begger living in a shroud of ignorance and humility, then i'm sure those are qualities your all powerful God intended on you to have and make you special! You sound like a good Christian.

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You're right, I did offer my opinion, I stand corrected!