The 'old testament' argument

[Godscreated]

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I assume you are speaking of me, Ok. What I have trouble understanding, are people who say they have a reasoning mind yet can't see the truth of scriptures. Could it be they do see it but would rather ignore the truth and invent things which are not there.

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As I observed I cannot understand people who cannot read the words and see what they say. That there are people who defer to an invented "truth" sort of leads me to despair of humanity. As I learned in grade school truth is an abstract noun and that abstract nouns have no real existence. I do not understand people who do not recognize an abstract noun when they see one.

Someone has taught you a lie, truth is an objective moral period. It's standard comes from God who is truth, God does not practice truth, He is Truth.

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Here is a fine example of what was stated above, why would God not want Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of life?

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That is a good question. We know "in that day you will surely die" was a lie. Why do you think WITH citations from the text and without supernatural inspiration as to what it really means that is.

As I've stated before the Bible is a spiritual book, written for the physical man. Do you have trouble seeing this? The statement "in that day you will surely die," is about the spiritual life Adam and Eve was enjoying with God. God met all their physical needs when He placed them in the Garden, He met their spiritual needs when He walked in the Garden with them in the cool of the evening. When they disobeyed sin came into the world, separating themselves from God, God could no longer walk with them, so spiritual death came to man, sin also brought physical death into the world and all God's creatures suffered death.

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This is the reason why, God said they could eat of all the trees in the Garden except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Sounds to me God gave a commandment for all the trees, even the Tree of Life, in one encompassing commandment. Sounds reasonable don't you think?

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Eating of the Tree of Life was obviously permitted unless you are saying living forever was our natural heritage. Commandments are what the words say. That you are claiming supernatural knowledge beyond the words is your problem. The bible story does not claim they had supernatural knowledge. Nor is there any hint of this in the text.

Is it not some kind of sin for you to claim such supernatural knowledge? If it is not supernatural then show the natural source of this "knowledge" of yours. Please do not BS me.

Yes living forever was our natural heritage, read scripture and you would find it saying sin brought death into creation. God may not help you understand scriptures, as for me I ask for His discernment and receive it. So, you see I'm give knowledge from the supernatural God of creation.

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The commandment not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil had to do with spiritual life, eating the fruit would break the spiritual walk Adam and Eve enjoyed with God. They suffered spiritual death immediately, physical death came later, neither of which they had to suffer if they had obeyed the One who gave them life. The serpent's lie did cost them, it cost them an immediate spiritual death and later a physical death as well. Before you go on about that's not right, remember this is a book of spiritual life recorded about those living a physical life.

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You are making this up as you go along. Produce the physical evidence to support the bullshit you are posting. If it were not such a clear violation of the rules of posting I would be calling you a lying retard and worse but I do not. I simply ask you to post the physical evidence of that interpretation of the story.

I'm not making up anything, your problem is discernment of scriptures. So, let me get this straight, you want me to give you physical evidence of the spiritual, now that's funny. You can call me anything you want, it want bother me, Min's already dished out everything and I'm still going. Jesus said people like you would come after Christians with verbal abuse, He said to not let it bother us because in actuality you would be castin the abuse at Him, and this you can believe I trust Him over anything you have to say.

The reason they were banished from the Garden was punishment for disobedience.

That is not what it says. In this case you are clearly lying about what it says and calling you a liar is not a personal attack because the words themselves declare you a liar.

Have you ever read the Bible, the more you write the more I'm believing you're spouting only what someone has told you. Since you think I'm lying, please tell me what you see as the truth of Adam and Eve being put out of the Garden of Eden.

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It's apparent the Tree of Life was not going to be removed from the Garden, why, only God knows scripture never tells us.
There's a reason God did not want them to live forever in their present condition, they would have had to suffer in sin for eternity and there would be no remission for their sin. Scripture tell us God said, "they would become like Us and live forever". God simply meant they would live for eternity as God does.

If I did not understand what God has taught me I would say so, as with the Tree of Life, I have no idea why God did not just remove it. I'm going to stay with what I know is the truth of scripture, as for you... well I would guess what ever pleases you, no other nonbeliever has listen yet, as far as I know.

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IF you wish to personally defend Augustine then you are required to cite your physical evidence. You are doing nothing but sinfully claiming supernatural knowledge. I can recommend bringing back the stake for folks like you. You are blaspheming to claim such knowledge when you cannot possibly have it unless you are claiming to be a prophet of the Lord. And if not, stop posting crap.

If you want to continue this way, NAME the prophet of the Lord who added so much to the words and who DENIED the cause of expulsion. Who is the prophet who would change the word of the Lord?

I do not defend Augustine, why would I, you make no sense at all, Augustine did not write scripture.
How can the knowledge that God gives be a sinful act, please do enlighten me. I have the knowledge of God because I ask for it, I ask for it so I can know Him better and serve Him better, there's nothing blasphemous about it. I do not need to be a prophet to be given God's truth, all any Christian need do is ask and in time God will reveal what is good for our relationship with Him. As for the last part of your statement you make no sense at all.

You do not see anything wrong with murder, raper, child abuse and ect. as long as no one finds out, you are a scary person. You have no right judging priest with that attitude, what you believe is Ok is far worse than what you believe about those priest and the tribe they are from.

I see a shitload wrong with mass murder and rule by terror which is exactly what Exodus records as the form and manner of the rule of Moses and therefore of his god. I have an absolute right to judge people who murder others for violating a commandment they do not know exists. But you are defending that.

If again you are claiming supernatural knowledge of the meaning of the words then again I propose bringing back the stake.

You have avoided my question, why? You do not even know what the book of Exodus teaches, if not, why are you trying to tell me what is in the book. I am defending what the book of Exodus teaches, while you produce nothing but lies about it. As for your stake bring it own, I'm willing to die for Christ.

Why would I give a rat's ass about the mythical nation of Israel or the mythical Moses, Abraham, David, Solomon, Babylon or anything else? I used to pity who believed such BS. Now I simply wish they were close enough to spit on.

Mythical Israel, are you serious, the name of King David has been found in one dig and Babylon is written in history. Man what's the matter with you. Spit on your screen if it will make you feel better.

There is no record of the people giving Moses the right to create laws. There is only is priestly goon squad who murder people for violating the idiotic laws of Moses. Screw the murderous asshole.

You're right there is no record of the people giving Moses the right to make laws, however they did agree to keep the laws God gave Moses. They seemed to have no problem accepting those laws, and those laws were the only one's Moses recorded. You sure do get upset about a man whom you believe never lived, you should calm down. By the way please show me the verses where the priest murdered. You have made the clam of murder, now it's time to show your proof.

Gee whiz, mister prophet. Perhaps I was confused by your LIE that they were the laws of Moses. Now you are changing your story and claiming your god was such as imbecile as to have a problem with mixing thread. I was giving you Moses as a demented asshole but you want to declare your god is a demented asshole. Your demented asshole god thinks there is a problem with pork and that rabbits chew cud. One error busts the facade as it did with the Wizard of Oz.

I think you may be losing it fellow, the Law of Moses is known as the laws given to Moses by God, even your fellow nonbelievers know this. I haven't changed my story or anything else, but as for you, you are all over the place, I do believe you do not know up from down.

Bullshit! You know exactly what happened after Moses came down from the mountain and punished the calf worshipers. Can you not read? Or do you not believe what is written? Or do you have supernatural knowledge of something else "really" happening?
Get your act together and make your case?

God punished those who chose wrongly, Moses was just the instrument God used. Everyone but you seem to know this, what's the problem you're having that you can't understand this.

The consequences of disobedience, as anyone who has ever read the bible was death, usually by stoning but there were other options. There was no provision for a trial nor witnesses there was only summary execution by priests. Of course if you can show me any fair trial you are free to make a case contrary to what is not in question as the rule of terror by the priests.

Since you have not read the Bible, and it's apparent you have not, how would you know.
Num. 35:30 If anyone kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death at the evidence of the witnesses, but no person will be put to deathon the testimony of one witness.
Ex. 23:1 You shall not bear a false report; do not join your hand with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.
Deut. 17:6 "On the evidence of two witnesses or three witnesses, he who is to die shall be put to death; he shall not be put to death on the evidence of one witness.
Deut. 19:15 "A single witness shall not rise up against a man on account of any iniquity or any sin which he has committed; on the evidence of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed.
Deut. 19:16-19 "If a malicious witness rises up against a man to accuse him of wrong doing, then both the men who have the dispute shall stand before the LORD, before the priest and the judges who will be in office in those days. "And the judges shall investigate thoroughly; and if the witness is a false witness and he has accused his brother falsely, then you shall do to him just as he intended to do to his brother. Thus you shall purge the evil from among you.
Need more to satisfy your condemning mind, this sounds much like the courts of today.

That does not change the correct description that your god rules by terror not by love. Your god does what it does. That (you believe) we are stuck with that god does not mean we have to give a shit about it.

God rules by justice, I've pointed this out above with passages from scripture, something you fail to do, you make unfounded accusations about God and His word. If God ruled by terror my friend you would not be here to argue this point, just a poof and a puff of smoke and bye, bye.

I have two choices here. I can simply observe you are an ignorant asshole and idiot or to explain why you are an ignorant asshole and idiot. As I need sleep I will hold off the explanation for later.

You should have stayed at it before I got to your comments and showed others how little you know about scriptures, you'er a loud irritating noise out of the darkness.

The slavery that Israel brought upon the peoples of Canaan was through God's judgement on them.

You lie so fluidly when I referred only to the slaves of the Hebrews who were forced to leave Egypt with Moses.

This would have been done by the decree of God, punishment through God's judgement on Israels tormentors.

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The slavery that you do not want people to call servants was to be for no more than 7 years and then they were to be freed and their debt paid. When God puts a people into slavery in the OT it was punishment through just judgement. God is on the moral high round, not man, do you think you are good enough to judge the perfect God... well you are wrong.
As for some of us who read and study scripture we do our best to represent what God teaches us through His word. As for people like you who have no understanding of God or His word I guess you'll keep on making up stories to please yourselves instead of looking for truth.

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Your fucking god is a Klansman, period. Maybe it is the grand Kleegle but it is a piece of shit supporter of slavery. Get over it.

BTW, your god lost the power to strike dead. I have had three heart attacks since November and here I am still hassling you idiots who KNOW your god preserved me to do what I am doing.

God has given you through His grace another chance. God could have let you die, however He did not, He save you mortal life for a reason and if I were you I believe I would be finding out, because God says He will not strive with man indefinitely.

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You do not see anything wrong with murder, raper, child abuse and ect. as long as no one finds out,
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Actually a do see a problem when some god declares the Israelites can keep all the virgin girls for themselves. I consider that both rape and child abuse which is commanded by your god. Do you want Chapter and Verse? I am certain I can find it just to demonstrate you are lying about your god.

Yes please give me all the verses where God commands rape and child abuse.