RE: How did you work it out?
March 27, 2013 at 7:44 am
(This post was last modified: March 27, 2013 at 8:31 am by Little Rik.)
(March 24, 2013 at 10:30 am)Joel Wrote:(March 24, 2013 at 10:26 am)enrico Wrote: Opshhh. somebody was telling me that neurosurgeons would not agree with me.
Well, well just look at this neurosurgeon.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/20...rlife.html
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/this-must-be-heaven
Sorry, sir. I've come across this, before.
I read Samharris article.
I agree that by using drugs or DMT as Sam suggest you could have similar experiences but is really like an ejaculation after a masturbation compared to an ejaculation after you make love in a natural way.
Chemical masturbation with drugs leave a trail of bad feeling and sickness afterwards and Eben Alexander does not really show any traces of mental sickness.
His thoughts are pure unlike those coming from drug users.
The problem with Sam Harris article is that he pretend to study experiences coming from other dimensions using physical science.
This is the usual problem that affect materialistic minds.
Something that i already discussed in this thread.
One desirable day Sam will discover the role of the pineal gland and that day he will understand a lot better how all the system works.

(March 24, 2013 at 8:33 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote:(March 24, 2013 at 10:06 am)enrico Wrote: After some million of years that humans exist on planet earth none has so far demonstrated that mind come from matter.
Mind can exist without a body (matter) and this has been already been demonstrated by thousand of NDE experiences.
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Really? Not one human has demonstrated that mind come from matter? Not even the humans from millions of years ago that didn't exist?
Ok. let us say maybe one million.
What is your estimate?
Oh, by the way let me know when someone discover that mind come from matter.

(March 24, 2013 at 8:19 pm)whateverist Wrote:(March 24, 2013 at 10:06 am)enrico Wrote: After some million of years that humans exist on planet earth none has so far demonstrated that mind come from matter.
Mind can exist without a body (matter) and this has been already been demonstrated by thousand of NDE experiences.
If you think NDE's are slam dunk proof of disembodied minds you are really a push over. I'll bet you could feel just as certain even without NDE's. Hell I doubt if you really look for anything but confirmation of what you already believe. You don't examine evidence as an aid for deciding what to believe. You use it to bolster up the beliefs you hold unthinkingly regardless. (I don't approve.)
Your bet won the price.
I feel certain even without NDS's.
By opening the channel that connect the microcosm with the macrocosm the feeling that you exist in a spiritual form pervade your existence.
