The price of attonement???

[The Grand Nudger]

But what if that apple was laced with a substance that was addictive, so much so you would be willing to give the farm up to have just one more?

Does the amount of "drich" you have to add to make a analogy seem to work ever occur to you?

Now Lets say I didn't want the farm, but would not give you any more "apples" unless you simply wanted something that belonged to your neighbor

You'd have to take that up with my neighbor.

, and all I wanted in return is for you to fester over how your neighbor did not deserve what he had, 1 hour out of twelve every day and I will let you indulge yourself with as many 'apples' as you wanted..

Sounds like a waste of time. A whole hour worrying about whether or not some douche next door deserved something you wanted?

Next, lets say (your actual dad who gave you the farm) didn't want you fussing over the stuff your neighbor had and he wanted you to work the field 12 hours aday, but I say you unless you fuss over what your neighbor had, just one hour out of 12 You will not be given that 'apple.' Who controls what goes on the Farm?

That would be me, still my farm.

Physically you do, but I have control over you, as I have what you physically want. So ultimatly I do.

But you don't have what I want drich.....

It's in the bible bra.

What isn't?

Yes, or it wouldn't be much of a temptation would it?

Your god sounds slightly less unique and immenently less powerful all of a sudden.

Yes. As He is the Father of Sin and Evil, and 'we' are slaves to it He had (Pre death on the Cross) ultimate power and authority over us.

You may be, I'm not.

Even after a 40 day fast when His mind and resolve was weak, He appearently did. That i why He told satan to pound sand.

Godman gets fatigued...meh, not worth the time. If your godman could see through it how tempting could it have been. Drich...again, this doesn't even sound very tempting to me...and I'm not godman....

Can you accept a gift and not know the true cost? Whatever that cost maybe? Wouldn't know said cost help you understand the depht and love it took to give that gift?

Sure, I don't ask people what they pay for some gift they give me, but you don't have to ask in this case - you've been told-, and if someone told me that they paid in scapegoating, I'd refuse the "gift". Love, no, there's no love there, if someone is offering me that.

As bad as mel gibson's protrayal of the passion was, I don't know anyone 'christian' who does not understand that what Jesus went through was orginally reserved for them. That He was made to physically endure a repersentation of what we owe for our sins. Even so what I am suggesting here is that 'punishment' Cost christ alot more than what we/man saw Christ go through.. Or you maybe right who knows what is in the heart of other men, saved or not.

I know whats in your heart scapegoater, but only because you feel compelled to fawn over it constantly.