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Show me your proof
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RE: Show me your proof
Omnipotence is impossible due to paradoxes

Another way to disprove the almighty god is that omnipotence leads to paradoxes. Can god make a rock that is too heavy for him to carry? Can god build a wall that even he can't tear down?

Also, if god knows everything, he knows what he will do in the "future" (in any dimension, not necessary the time dimension). He must have known that from the very start of his own existence. Thus god's actions are predestined. God is tied by faith, he has no free will. If god has no free will god is not omnipotent. Another way to put it is that to be able to make plans and decisions one must act over time. If god stands above time he can not do that and has no free will. Indeed, if god stands above all dimensions god is dimensionless - a singularity, nothing, void.

Besides there can exist no free wills at all if god is almighty. If you had a free will, god wouldn't know what you would do tomorrow and wouldn't be omnipotent.

The void creator

If everything must have been created, then god must have been created as well. If god is not created, then everything mustn't have a creator, so why should life or cosmos have one?

Besides this argument has another leap. If everything has a source and god is that source, then god must have existed without it before he created it. So if god created time and space, he must live outside of time and space. Thus he is non-existent. If all life must come from something and that is god, god is not alive and hence non-existent. If morality must come from god, god lacks morality. If logic comes from god, god is illogical. If nature comes from god, god is unnatural. If existence comes from god, god is non-existent. If god is the cause of everything, god is void
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 4:48 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Darwinian - April 7, 2013 at 5:04 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 7, 2013 at 5:48 am
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 7, 2013 at 5:53 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Minimalist - April 8, 2013 at 2:27 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 8, 2013 at 5:36 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mister Agenda - April 8, 2013 at 4:24 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 11:15 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Darkstar - April 8, 2013 at 11:18 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 1:41 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Darkstar - April 9, 2013 at 2:05 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mister Agenda - April 9, 2013 at 9:35 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Faith No More - April 9, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 9:44 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 6:00 am
RE: Show me your proof - by paulpablo - April 7, 2013 at 7:09 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Zen Badger - April 7, 2013 at 8:23 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 8:41 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Zen Badger - April 7, 2013 at 9:05 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 9:25 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Darkstar - April 7, 2013 at 2:53 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Zen Badger - April 8, 2013 at 4:27 am
RE: Show me your proof - by archangle - April 8, 2013 at 8:00 am
RE: Show me your proof - by paulpablo - April 7, 2013 at 5:13 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 7, 2013 at 5:15 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 7, 2013 at 5:54 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 7:22 am
RE: Show me your proof - by popeyespappy - April 7, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 9, 2013 at 12:33 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2013 at 2:12 am
RE: Show me your proof - by radorth - April 13, 2013 at 12:50 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 13, 2013 at 4:07 am
RE: Show me your proof - by archangle - April 13, 2013 at 6:58 am
RE: Show me your proof - by FallentoReason - April 16, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mononoke - April 7, 2013 at 5:33 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Silver - April 7, 2013 at 5:53 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Kayenneh - April 7, 2013 at 6:02 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 7, 2013 at 7:39 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 7:53 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Kayenneh - April 7, 2013 at 7:50 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 8:13 am
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 8:54 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 9:13 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 9:21 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Silver - April 7, 2013 at 9:24 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 9:29 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Silver - April 7, 2013 at 9:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 9:33 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Silver - April 7, 2013 at 9:40 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 10:12 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Silver - April 7, 2013 at 10:18 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 7, 2013 at 10:20 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 8, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 8, 2013 at 6:45 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Darkstar - April 8, 2013 at 6:51 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 8, 2013 at 7:14 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 10:26 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 10:07 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 9:42 am
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 9:27 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 9:42 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Zen Badger - April 7, 2013 at 9:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 8:59 am
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 9:07 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Silver - April 7, 2013 at 9:10 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Jackalope - April 8, 2013 at 4:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 8:06 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 8:10 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 8:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 8:37 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 8:53 am
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 8:54 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 9:28 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 7, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 7, 2013 at 10:36 am
RE: Show me your proof - by CleanShavenJesus - April 7, 2013 at 12:05 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by paulpablo - April 7, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Whateverist - April 7, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by ThomM - April 7, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Re: RE: Show me your proof - by frz - April 8, 2013 at 12:34 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 1:32 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Fruity - April 8, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 1:37 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 8, 2013 at 1:36 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Cato - April 8, 2013 at 2:09 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 8, 2013 at 2:24 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Whateverist - April 8, 2013 at 10:02 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Fruity - April 8, 2013 at 1:45 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 11:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by KichigaiNeko - April 8, 2013 at 4:48 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2013 at 7:45 am
RE: Show me your proof - by CleanShavenJesus - April 8, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Darwinian - April 8, 2013 at 7:46 am
RE: Show me your proof - by thesummerqueen - April 8, 2013 at 9:53 am
Re: Show me your proof - by frz - April 8, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by downbeatplumb - April 8, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Fruity - April 9, 2013 at 1:39 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 2:38 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 9, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by archangle - April 9, 2013 at 12:04 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 9, 2013 at 1:36 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 1:59 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 9, 2013 at 3:58 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2013 at 4:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 9, 2013 at 1:48 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 9, 2013 at 2:51 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Fruity - April 9, 2013 at 2:38 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 2:55 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 10:02 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Fidel_Castronaut - April 10, 2013 at 9:49 am
RE: Show me your proof - by ThomM - April 11, 2013 at 9:51 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 12, 2013 at 1:03 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 13, 2013 at 12:35 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 10, 2013 at 11:37 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 10, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 10, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 10, 2013 at 3:30 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 10, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Fidel_Castronaut - April 9, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Fruity - April 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 4:35 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 4:57 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 9, 2013 at 9:42 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 14, 2013 at 12:38 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 14, 2013 at 4:21 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 14, 2013 at 4:58 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 14, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 14, 2013 at 9:54 am
RE: Show me your proof - by radorth - April 16, 2013 at 9:45 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 17, 2013 at 3:10 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 14, 2013 at 10:28 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 17, 2013 at 4:00 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 17, 2013 at 5:06 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 17, 2013 at 5:41 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 17, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 17, 2013 at 8:57 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 17, 2013 at 10:45 am
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 18, 2013 at 12:12 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 18, 2013 at 10:25 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 18, 2013 at 1:13 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 18, 2013 at 2:44 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 18, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 18, 2013 at 10:45 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 18, 2013 at 6:52 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 18, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 18, 2013 at 8:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 18, 2013 at 11:37 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 19, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 19, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 20, 2013 at 6:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 23, 2013 at 11:13 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Silver - April 23, 2013 at 11:17 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 18, 2013 at 2:17 am
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 18, 2013 at 3:46 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2013 at 9:20 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 18, 2013 at 10:54 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 18, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2013 at 10:59 am
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 18, 2013 at 11:06 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 18, 2013 at 11:12 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 18, 2013 at 7:15 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 18, 2013 at 7:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by downbeatplumb - April 19, 2013 at 12:13 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 18, 2013 at 10:34 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 18, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 18, 2013 at 7:59 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 18, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 10:14 am
Re: Show me your proof - by NoraBrimstone - April 19, 2013 at 5:27 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 19, 2013 at 6:35 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 19, 2013 at 7:18 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 19, 2013 at 9:29 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 20, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by ThomM - April 21, 2013 at 1:21 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 21, 2013 at 10:47 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 9:18 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 9:30 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Gearbreak - April 20, 2013 at 7:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 23, 2013 at 11:29 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - April 23, 2013 at 11:36 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 23, 2013 at 11:45 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Silver - April 23, 2013 at 11:57 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - April 24, 2013 at 12:10 am
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 24, 2013 at 10:25 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 24, 2013 at 12:09 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - April 23, 2013 at 11:54 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 24, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - April 24, 2013 at 6:44 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 24, 2013 at 9:37 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 24, 2013 at 10:45 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 25, 2013 at 4:42 am
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 25, 2013 at 3:19 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 9:20 am
RE: Show me your proof - by purplepurpose - April 24, 2013 at 1:02 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - April 24, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 24, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 1:04 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by purplepurpose - April 24, 2013 at 1:17 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 1:21 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 5:51 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 9:56 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Bad Wolf - May 11, 2013 at 11:14 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 2:07 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Bad Wolf - May 12, 2013 at 8:16 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 9:57 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - May 12, 2013 at 10:42 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 11:49 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - May 12, 2013 at 12:00 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - May 12, 2013 at 9:41 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - May 13, 2013 at 1:43 am

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