(April 9, 2013 at 12:28 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(April 9, 2013 at 12:14 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: ... God's causal power alone provides the potential for a universe to exist,...the potentiality to create is wholly predicated upon the existence of something upon which that power might exert itself. Power is made manifest only when it is exerted upon something.I don't disagree with this statement, since it only applies to creation "out of nothing." Out of nothing, nothing comes. That has been understood as true since ancient times.
Then what are you suggesting God changed into the universe? A second ago I think you said it was Himself right?
Would you care to elaborate on the state God existed in before he decided to will the universe into existance?
I realize to say "before the universe" is silly because the universe and time are part of the same, but it is implied when one posits that God willed it into existance, there was at the very least a state of afairs that God did not will it and therein change occurred (if only in Him changing his mind) and change is a product of time which is a product of our universe....you see what i'm getting at?
