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How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?

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How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
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How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
November 21, 2013 at 9:44 pm
I've talked to a few christians recently, and they both went with "Where did it all come from?". I forgot to ask them, even if I grant that it had to be a deity, that only gets you as far as deism. Judaism, the religion that christianity is based on, was not the first religion. It didn't even have the first creation story.

Let's say we go with the popular "there had to be a beginning", and even say that Yahweh didn't need one. What now? How do we get from there picking Yahweh as the right one? Why not hinduism, possibly the oldest religion out there? Or the Babylonian religion?
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10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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RE: How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
November 21, 2013 at 10:02 pm
The reply that one of these brain-farters will come up with will go something along the lines of " all these other gods are phony so it HAD to be yhwh."

Dealing with theists gets so predictable after a while.
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RE: How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
November 21, 2013 at 10:04 pm
How do you get from basic elements to organic chemistry? It's a long road, but you know you are on the right path if you love God and your neighbor as yourself. Any religion that allows you to grow in those two loves is the right one.
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RE: How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
November 21, 2013 at 10:10 pm
That doesn't really answer the question.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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RE: How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
November 21, 2013 at 10:44 pm
You really can't. As I noted in a thread I made on the topic, even if all the philosophical arguments were perfect to a T, there's no way (or it hasn't been done at least) of moving on to saying a particular religion is therefore true. The Historical Argument is a non-starter to begin with, and the Argument from Religious Experience is just as usable by almost any kind of theist.

To quote the YouTube user "DarkAntics" (the alt account of "Darkmatter2525"):

"Theists. Stop trying to defend this book and your arguments for the existence of a god are much better."
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RE: How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
November 21, 2013 at 10:57 pm
(November 21, 2013 at 10:04 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: How do you get from basic elements to organic chemistry? It's a long road, but you know you are on the right path if you love God and your neighbor as yourself. Any religion that allows you to grow in those two loves is the right one.

Yes, and the devotees of all of the religions claim that theirs does that. We haven't moved a single step.
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November 21, 2013 at 11:07 pm (This post was last modified: November 21, 2013 at 11:08 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
(November 21, 2013 at 10:57 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Yes, and the devotees of all of the religions claim that theirs does that. We haven't moved a single step.
No. That just means all who follow their religion with love and charity are moving in the right direction.
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RE: How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
November 21, 2013 at 11:28 pm
(November 21, 2013 at 11:07 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:
(November 21, 2013 at 10:57 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Yes, and the devotees of all of the religions claim that theirs does that. We haven't moved a single step.
No. That just means all who follow their religion with love and charity are moving in the right direction.

And each right direction claims the other right directions are wrong directions.

In fact Christianity clearly states that worship of other gods is not allowed.
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RE: How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
November 22, 2013 at 12:29 am
(November 21, 2013 at 10:10 pm)Chad32 Wrote: That doesn't really answer the question.

They never do.
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RE: How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?
November 22, 2013 at 12:58 am
Not to mention being a complete non-sequitur.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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