RE: Show me your proof
April 9, 2013 at 1:36 pm
(This post was last modified: April 9, 2013 at 1:37 pm by Mystic.)
(April 9, 2013 at 12:14 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote: Without the omnipotence of a god, there is no foreknowledge or predetermination. Therefore, we are free to choose our actions which will lead us down an unknown path to an unknown future.
As soon as the path and future are known, by anyone or anything, our ability to choose is eliminated. With a deity, our path is inevitable and free will does not exist. Without a deity, our path is unknown and necessarily advances based on free will.
Your conclusion is non-sequitur it seems. It seems problematic to have a being have foreknowledge of the future and yet we have free-will. It doesn't however prove a universe without a god can possibly have free-will however. Let alone that it does. It just proves that a universe with a being that has foreknowledge of the outcomes, is incompatible with free-will.
If time was such that the past, present, and future all exist for example, it can possibly be deterministic, because the future already exists and there is no way to change the future in the present, because it already exists.
Even if the present exists without the future existing frame point, you have not shown how naturalism can account for free-will when our biological minds are subject to physical cause and effect, so what exactly is choosing freely? What is not subject to cause and effect in the mind, and chooses without being caused to chose what it chooses by biochemical forces? And is compatibilism an oxymoron or not?et etc...
