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In the beginning...
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RE: In the beginning...
(April 9, 2013 at 4:11 pm)LastPoet Wrote:
(April 9, 2013 at 4:07 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: It has no origin.
Nothing like having an exception to the rule, in other words... a special pleading.
Actually, you're the one special pleading because you have made an exception for the physical universe. Every physical object with which we have experience has a beginning and persists and presumably ends. The coming into being of any physical object depends on something other than itself into order to begin and persist (which is just continual coming into being).

The known universe is a physical object, the same as all others. So even as a whole, the physical universe should not be treated differently than any other physical object. I avoid special pleading by posit the existence of necessary non-physical attributes. These two taken together, the physical and non-physical constitute the larger reality, which I call the Totality (because it is neutral with regards to divinity) or what the ancients called the One or the All or the Good.

Nice try, though. Attempting to pidgen-hole my position into something familiar that you think you can easily refute. I'm going to make you work for it.
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In the beginning... - by The Reality Salesman - April 9, 2013 at 9:20 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Mister Agenda - April 9, 2013 at 10:02 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Drich - April 9, 2013 at 10:32 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Mister Agenda - April 11, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 11, 2013 at 12:50 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by CapnAwesome - April 13, 2013 at 12:35 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by ThomM - April 11, 2013 at 9:42 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Drich - April 9, 2013 at 10:19 am
RE: In the beginning... - by The Reality Salesman - April 9, 2013 at 10:42 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 10:22 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Tonus - April 9, 2013 at 10:40 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 10:46 am
RE: In the beginning... - by The Reality Salesman - April 9, 2013 at 10:49 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 11:10 am
RE: In the beginning... - by stone - April 9, 2013 at 11:12 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Darwinian - April 9, 2013 at 11:54 am
RE: In the beginning... - by stone - April 13, 2013 at 10:19 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Esquilax - April 13, 2013 at 11:20 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Minimalist - April 9, 2013 at 11:44 am
RE: In the beginning... - by The Grand Nudger - April 9, 2013 at 11:48 am
RE: In the beginning... - by stone - April 9, 2013 at 12:12 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Minimalist - April 9, 2013 at 11:54 am
RE: In the beginning... - by The Grand Nudger - April 9, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: In the beginning... - by The Reality Salesman - April 9, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by stone - April 9, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by The Reality Salesman - April 9, 2013 at 12:28 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by stone - April 9, 2013 at 4:32 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 4:42 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by stone - April 9, 2013 at 4:49 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 6:14 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 6:20 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 4:57 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by stone - April 9, 2013 at 6:03 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 6:10 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 12:28 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by The Reality Salesman - April 9, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by LastPoet - April 9, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 4:21 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2013 at 5:02 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by The Reality Salesman - April 9, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Ryantology - April 9, 2013 at 9:11 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by The Reality Salesman - April 9, 2013 at 9:13 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2013 at 2:29 am
RE: In the beginning... - by LastPoet - April 10, 2013 at 3:22 am
RE: In the beginning... - by The Reality Salesman - April 10, 2013 at 8:31 am
RE: In the beginning... - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2013 at 4:37 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Ryantology - April 10, 2013 at 3:14 am
RE: In the beginning... - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2013 at 8:26 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 10, 2013 at 9:45 am
RE: In the beginning... - by smax - April 10, 2013 at 10:19 am
RE: In the beginning... - by archangle - April 10, 2013 at 11:18 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 10, 2013 at 11:47 am
RE: In the beginning... - by archangle - April 10, 2013 at 5:22 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 10, 2013 at 5:49 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by archangle - April 10, 2013 at 8:43 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 11, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: In the beginning... - by archangle - April 11, 2013 at 12:48 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Ryantology - April 10, 2013 at 4:47 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2013 at 5:42 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Ryantology - April 10, 2013 at 6:48 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2013 at 11:54 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Ryantology - April 11, 2013 at 12:04 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 11, 2013 at 10:34 am
RE: In the beginning... - by archangle - April 11, 2013 at 10:56 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Ryantology - April 11, 2013 at 3:47 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 11, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Ryantology - April 11, 2013 at 4:59 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by The Reality Salesman - April 11, 2013 at 8:43 am
RE: In the beginning... - by archangle - April 11, 2013 at 8:55 am
RE: In the beginning... - by fr0d0 - April 11, 2013 at 12:09 am
RE: In the beginning... - by archangle - April 11, 2013 at 8:08 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Tonus - April 11, 2013 at 11:23 am
RE: In the beginning... - by fr0d0 - April 11, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by The Reality Salesman - April 11, 2013 at 10:46 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 12, 2013 at 10:16 am
RE: In the beginning... - by The Reality Salesman - April 12, 2013 at 12:03 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by fr0d0 - April 12, 2013 at 12:58 am
RE: In the beginning... - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 12, 2013 at 3:41 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 12, 2013 at 12:25 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 14, 2013 at 1:15 am
RE: In the beginning... - by StatCrux - April 13, 2013 at 11:12 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2013 at 11:12 am
RE: In the beginning... - by archangle - April 13, 2013 at 11:46 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Tonus - April 13, 2013 at 11:52 am
RE: In the beginning... - by archangle - April 14, 2013 at 6:59 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 14, 2013 at 11:58 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Tex - April 14, 2013 at 10:31 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Tex - April 15, 2013 at 12:58 am
RE: In the beginning... - by archangle - April 15, 2013 at 8:41 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Tex - April 15, 2013 at 11:40 am
RE: In the beginning... - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 17, 2013 at 4:59 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Tex - April 17, 2013 at 1:08 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by The Reality Salesman - April 17, 2013 at 1:13 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Tex - April 17, 2013 at 2:21 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 17, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Ryantology - April 15, 2013 at 1:37 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 15, 2013 at 1:31 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by The Reality Salesman - April 15, 2013 at 1:37 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 9:15 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Neo-Scholastic - April 17, 2013 at 9:24 am
RE: In the beginning... - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 17, 2013 at 10:43 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Minimalist - April 17, 2013 at 1:34 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Tonus - April 17, 2013 at 2:03 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 2:45 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by The Reality Salesman - April 17, 2013 at 2:54 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Tex - April 17, 2013 at 4:40 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 7:29 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Tex - April 17, 2013 at 10:31 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 18, 2013 at 11:34 am
RE: In the beginning... - by Tex - April 18, 2013 at 7:58 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 18, 2013 at 9:20 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 3:19 pm
RE: In the beginning... - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 17, 2013 at 8:01 pm

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