RE: Show me your proof
April 9, 2013 at 4:35 pm
(This post was last modified: April 9, 2013 at 4:46 pm by Baalzebutt.)
(April 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm)jrsm_10 Wrote: So, to me, we can manipulate our brains (that operate via genes, chemistry, etc) via experiences (things we learn). You say we are our brains, so when we manipulate our brain, really what is happening is that our brain is manipulating itself. Did I get that right? So, since our brain is manipulating itself and we are our brain, it's free will. Correct? Sort of like a brain with arms and legs walking around (and a nose, and mouth, and hands, and...).
Essentially correct.
A brain with various input devices.
I had written a bunch more here but putting what I have in my head down on paper (so to speak) is a difficult task. It makes sense in my head but sounds ridiculous in print. I need to work this out so I can present a reasonable argument that makes sense...
(April 9, 2013 at 4:19 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(April 9, 2013 at 12:14 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote: Without the omnipotence of a god, there is no foreknowledge or predetermination. Therefore, we are free to choose our actions which will lead us down an unknown path to an unknown future.
As soon as the path and future are known, by anyone or anything, our ability to choose is eliminated. With a deity, our path is inevitable and free will does not exist. Without a deity, our path is unknown and necessarily advances based on free will.
You have no choice but to act in linear form. Every small action you perform, and decision you make, is a direct result of previous influence. Even in the most balanced decision, the choice you make is the choice you would always have made. You are incapable of going against this. So to say that you have free will is completely wrong.
What you are, unless restricted, is a free agent to act as your will dictates.
Again, i find myself lacking a cohesive explanation of my thoughts. I know what I want to say but cant get it out and still make sense.
Would you mind terribly if I asked you to crawl into my head for a moment so you can see what I am thinking?
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." -Einstein