Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: August 18, 2026, 5:25 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Show me your proof
RE: Show me your proof
(April 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm)jrsm_10 Wrote: So, to me, we can manipulate our brains (that operate via genes, chemistry, etc) via experiences (things we learn). You say we are our brains, so when we manipulate our brain, really what is happening is that our brain is manipulating itself. Did I get that right? So, since our brain is manipulating itself and we are our brain, it's free will. Correct? Sort of like a brain with arms and legs walking around (and a nose, and mouth, and hands, and...). Wink

Essentially correct.

A brain with various input devices.

I had written a bunch more here but putting what I have in my head down on paper (so to speak) is a difficult task. It makes sense in my head but sounds ridiculous in print. I need to work this out so I can present a reasonable argument that makes sense...

(April 9, 2013 at 4:19 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(April 9, 2013 at 12:14 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote: Without the omnipotence of a god, there is no foreknowledge or predetermination. Therefore, we are free to choose our actions which will lead us down an unknown path to an unknown future.

As soon as the path and future are known, by anyone or anything, our ability to choose is eliminated. With a deity, our path is inevitable and free will does not exist. Without a deity, our path is unknown and necessarily advances based on free will.

You have no choice but to act in linear form. Every small action you perform, and decision you make, is a direct result of previous influence. Even in the most balanced decision, the choice you make is the choice you would always have made. You are incapable of going against this. So to say that you have free will is completely wrong.

What you are, unless restricted, is a free agent to act as your will dictates.

Again, i find myself lacking a cohesive explanation of my thoughts. I know what I want to say but cant get it out and still make sense.

Would you mind terribly if I asked you to crawl into my head for a moment so you can see what I am thinking?
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." -Einstein
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 4:48 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Darwinian - April 7, 2013 at 5:04 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 7, 2013 at 5:48 am
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 7, 2013 at 5:53 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Minimalist - April 8, 2013 at 2:27 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 8, 2013 at 5:36 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mister Agenda - April 8, 2013 at 4:24 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 11:15 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Darkstar - April 8, 2013 at 11:18 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 1:41 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Darkstar - April 9, 2013 at 2:05 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mister Agenda - April 9, 2013 at 9:35 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Faith No More - April 9, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 9:44 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 6:00 am
RE: Show me your proof - by paulpablo - April 7, 2013 at 7:09 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Zen Badger - April 7, 2013 at 8:23 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 8:41 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Zen Badger - April 7, 2013 at 9:05 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 9:25 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Darkstar - April 7, 2013 at 2:53 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Zen Badger - April 8, 2013 at 4:27 am
RE: Show me your proof - by archangle - April 8, 2013 at 8:00 am
RE: Show me your proof - by paulpablo - April 7, 2013 at 5:13 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 7, 2013 at 5:15 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 7, 2013 at 5:54 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 7:22 am
RE: Show me your proof - by popeyespappy - April 7, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 9, 2013 at 12:33 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2013 at 2:12 am
RE: Show me your proof - by radorth - April 13, 2013 at 12:50 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 13, 2013 at 4:07 am
RE: Show me your proof - by archangle - April 13, 2013 at 6:58 am
RE: Show me your proof - by FallentoReason - April 16, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mononoke - April 7, 2013 at 5:33 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Paraselene - April 7, 2013 at 5:53 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Kayenneh - April 7, 2013 at 6:02 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 7, 2013 at 7:39 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 7:53 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Kayenneh - April 7, 2013 at 7:50 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 8:13 am
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 8:54 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 9:13 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 9:21 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Paraselene - April 7, 2013 at 9:24 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 9:29 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Paraselene - April 7, 2013 at 9:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 9:33 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Paraselene - April 7, 2013 at 9:40 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 10:12 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Paraselene - April 7, 2013 at 10:18 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 7, 2013 at 10:20 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 8, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 8, 2013 at 6:45 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Darkstar - April 8, 2013 at 6:51 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 8, 2013 at 7:14 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 10:26 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 10:07 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 9:42 am
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 9:27 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 9:42 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Zen Badger - April 7, 2013 at 9:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 8:59 am
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 9:07 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Paraselene - April 7, 2013 at 9:10 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Jackalope - April 8, 2013 at 4:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 8:06 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 8:10 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 8:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 8:37 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 8:53 am
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 8:54 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 9:28 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 7, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 7, 2013 at 10:36 am
RE: Show me your proof - by CleanShavenJesus - April 7, 2013 at 12:05 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by paulpablo - April 7, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Whateverist - April 7, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by ThomM - April 7, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Re: RE: Show me your proof - by frz - April 8, 2013 at 12:34 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 1:32 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Fruity - April 8, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 1:37 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 8, 2013 at 1:36 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Cato - April 8, 2013 at 2:09 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 8, 2013 at 2:24 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Whateverist - April 8, 2013 at 10:02 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Fruity - April 8, 2013 at 1:45 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 11:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by KichigaiNeko - April 8, 2013 at 4:48 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2013 at 7:45 am
RE: Show me your proof - by CleanShavenJesus - April 8, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Darwinian - April 8, 2013 at 7:46 am
RE: Show me your proof - by thesummerqueen - April 8, 2013 at 9:53 am
Re: Show me your proof - by frz - April 8, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by downbeatplumb - April 8, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Fruity - April 9, 2013 at 1:39 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 2:38 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 9, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by archangle - April 9, 2013 at 12:04 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 9, 2013 at 1:36 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 1:59 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 9, 2013 at 3:58 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2013 at 4:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 9, 2013 at 1:48 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 9, 2013 at 2:51 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Fruity - April 9, 2013 at 2:38 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 2:55 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 10:02 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Fidel_Castronaut - April 10, 2013 at 9:49 am
RE: Show me your proof - by ThomM - April 11, 2013 at 9:51 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 12, 2013 at 1:03 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 13, 2013 at 12:35 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 10, 2013 at 11:37 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 10, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 10, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 10, 2013 at 3:30 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 10, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Fidel_Castronaut - April 9, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Fruity - April 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 4:35 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 4:57 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 9, 2013 at 9:42 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 14, 2013 at 12:38 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 14, 2013 at 4:21 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 14, 2013 at 4:58 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 14, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 14, 2013 at 9:54 am
RE: Show me your proof - by radorth - April 16, 2013 at 9:45 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 17, 2013 at 3:10 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 14, 2013 at 10:28 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 17, 2013 at 4:00 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 17, 2013 at 5:06 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 17, 2013 at 5:41 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 17, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 17, 2013 at 8:57 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 17, 2013 at 10:45 am
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 18, 2013 at 12:12 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 18, 2013 at 10:25 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 18, 2013 at 1:13 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 18, 2013 at 2:44 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 18, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 18, 2013 at 10:45 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 18, 2013 at 6:52 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 18, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 18, 2013 at 8:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 18, 2013 at 11:37 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 19, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 19, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 20, 2013 at 6:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 23, 2013 at 11:13 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Paraselene - April 23, 2013 at 11:17 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 18, 2013 at 2:17 am
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 18, 2013 at 3:46 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2013 at 9:20 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 18, 2013 at 10:54 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 18, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2013 at 10:59 am
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 18, 2013 at 11:06 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 18, 2013 at 11:12 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 18, 2013 at 7:15 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 18, 2013 at 7:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by downbeatplumb - April 19, 2013 at 12:13 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 18, 2013 at 10:34 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 18, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 18, 2013 at 7:59 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 18, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 10:14 am
Re: Show me your proof - by NoraBrimstone - April 19, 2013 at 5:27 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 19, 2013 at 6:35 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 19, 2013 at 7:18 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 19, 2013 at 9:29 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 20, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by ThomM - April 21, 2013 at 1:21 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 21, 2013 at 10:47 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 9:18 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 9:30 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Gearbreak - April 20, 2013 at 7:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 23, 2013 at 11:29 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - April 23, 2013 at 11:36 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 23, 2013 at 11:45 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Paraselene - April 23, 2013 at 11:57 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - April 24, 2013 at 12:10 am
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 24, 2013 at 10:25 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 24, 2013 at 12:09 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - April 23, 2013 at 11:54 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 24, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - April 24, 2013 at 6:44 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 24, 2013 at 9:37 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 24, 2013 at 10:45 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 25, 2013 at 4:42 am
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 25, 2013 at 3:19 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 9:20 am
RE: Show me your proof - by purplepurpose - April 24, 2013 at 1:02 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - April 24, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 24, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 1:04 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by purplepurpose - April 24, 2013 at 1:17 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 1:21 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 5:51 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 9:56 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Bad Wolf - May 11, 2013 at 11:14 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 2:07 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Bad Wolf - May 12, 2013 at 8:16 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 9:57 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - May 12, 2013 at 10:42 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 11:49 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - May 12, 2013 at 12:00 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - May 12, 2013 at 9:41 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - May 13, 2013 at 1:43 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Not sure Stan will show up. Jackie 21 6409 June 12, 2024 at 10:55 pm
Last Post: Prycejosh1987
  A.S.K. your way to proof. Drich 378 116039 June 13, 2020 at 6:38 am
Last Post: Peebothuhlu
  Can someone show me the evidence of the bullshit bible articles? I believe in Harry Potter 36 10834 November 3, 2019 at 7:33 pm
Last Post: Jehanne
  Lol the bible is actually ok with pedophilia, proof from passage Rarieo 80 39344 July 29, 2017 at 12:50 am
Last Post: Astonished
  Proof that there is no God Nihilist Virus 10 4208 March 31, 2017 at 1:58 am
Last Post: ronedee
  Christians, your god is gay. I have proof! rado84 82 34889 March 10, 2017 at 1:22 pm
Last Post: Nay_Sayer
  Old Testament Prophecy Proof of Jesus Nihilist Virus 45 14013 August 12, 2016 at 12:50 pm
Last Post: Nihilist Virus
  LOL. Stands as proof of Minimalist 10 3929 July 6, 2016 at 5:50 pm
Last Post: Thumpalumpacus
  I Have Proof the the Christian God Does Not and Cannot Eist Rhondazvous 89 28299 July 5, 2016 at 1:51 pm
Last Post: Rhondazvous
  Love the Lord your God with all your heart ? Angrboda 144 47584 June 20, 2016 at 5:58 pm
Last Post: KUSA



Users browsing this thread: 7 Guest(s)