RE: Mandelbrot Fractal and Watchmaker theory as proof for gods existence?
April 10, 2013 at 12:35 am
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2013 at 12:39 am by Mystical.)
Thought I'd follow up with what I've found thusfar, which admittedly I haven't had a whole lot of time to focus on.
I talked to my fiancee about it for a night, he's a doll.
As for the watchmaker theory, I still don't get how a theist can consider it a valid point whatsoever. Assuming a watch is made by a creator because comparably to nature it is unique: is no contention what soever, since nature itself has nothing to compare itself to as to being creator-made.
He made a great debating point,
"A more accurate version of the watchmaker argument, from the theistic perspective, is that you find a watch on the beach, but the beach is made of watches, and the ocean beside you is made of watches, the air you breathe is watches, the planet you're on is watches, and you yourself are a watch."
As for complexity in nature proving that it needed a maker, I found this experiment highly helpful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%8...experiment
I don't understand why the fractal is even in the theist debates, so if anyone figures that out just let me know
Also someone in the catholic forums (that's where I'm getting this shite) also mentioned this:
"When relativists bring up wave-particle duality of light to try and argue that the law of non-contradiction is not true, they are hand-waving. It is more proper to say that light has properties like a wave and like a particle, not that they ARE both things at once. This does not breach the law of non-contradiction."
Anyone know what they're talking about? Thanks for your replies guys, please let me know what you think!
I talked to my fiancee about it for a night, he's a doll.
As for the watchmaker theory, I still don't get how a theist can consider it a valid point whatsoever. Assuming a watch is made by a creator because comparably to nature it is unique: is no contention what soever, since nature itself has nothing to compare itself to as to being creator-made.
He made a great debating point,
"A more accurate version of the watchmaker argument, from the theistic perspective, is that you find a watch on the beach, but the beach is made of watches, and the ocean beside you is made of watches, the air you breathe is watches, the planet you're on is watches, and you yourself are a watch."
As for complexity in nature proving that it needed a maker, I found this experiment highly helpful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%8...experiment
I don't understand why the fractal is even in the theist debates, so if anyone figures that out just let me know
Also someone in the catholic forums (that's where I'm getting this shite) also mentioned this:
"When relativists bring up wave-particle duality of light to try and argue that the law of non-contradiction is not true, they are hand-waving. It is more proper to say that light has properties like a wave and like a particle, not that they ARE both things at once. This does not breach the law of non-contradiction."
Anyone know what they're talking about? Thanks for your replies guys, please let me know what you think!
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
