(April 10, 2013 at 2:29 am)fr0d0 Wrote:(April 9, 2013 at 9:13 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: @fr0d0
(Today 14:20)Texas Sailor Wrote:
What material?
"Science 101 is down the hall.
Materialism isn't the subject here. You're transposing a modern materialist world view onto a non materialist one."
Don't change the subject home slice
I'm applying logic, combined with a modern understanding of scientific knowledge to a fairy tale. You can call it whatever you want, and I can point out your excuses for avoiding the objection every time, but until you have something intelligent to add to the discussion, I'd recommend that you just continue feeding Wooters kudos. Your responses are distractions to others that wish to gain understanding and actually display the intellectual capacity to achieve some.
Hey TeX
I didn't avoid the question. I hit it squarely out of the park. You dismiss it without entertaining it. I assume because the concept is unknown to you. Wouldn't it be better to question it rather than dismiss it out of hand?
You're applying logic strangled with a modernist material view, yeah. Try addressing the subject and you might see the actual logic of what it's saying.
Burying your head in the sand may be your atheism style. If so, please carry on.
The whole point is God's ability to create (INSERT NOUS) is contingent on the existence of something upon which to exercise HIS causal energies. This does not imply that God is a contingent being in the sense that HIS being is contingent on something other than Himself. You could even say that God isn't a contingent being but his powers inherently ARE and must be in order for any rational mind to continue entertaining Him if you so choose. You disagree? God is subject to logical restrictions just like any and everything else (material or immaterial), If it can be understood rationally this must be true. If it is an irrational assertion, it is illogical and should be dismissed as such. God can't be God and not-God at the same time (you disagree?), God can't make a weight so big that he himself couldn't lift it, and guess what dude? God can't be both material and immaterial at the same time! So, answer the question. The fact that all of these things must be true in order to maintain the logic we apply to literally EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S TRUE... What is God's power contingent upon? Is it not contingent on something? If you say no, then I'm curious as to how you make sense of this.
My Guess is that one of these will be how you choose to continue...
a) Deflect the question, fillubustering, straw-man arguments, or another possible Red Herring.
b) Admit that belief in God is completely irrational at least as far as this, and you have no logical reason to believe in him, but are totally cool with supporting it's "possibility" inspite it's irrationality and you GLADLY accept the implications such a statement makes on your intelligence in the name of faith.
Hmm...Which one will it be.
