(April 9, 2013 at 10:32 am)Drich Wrote:(April 9, 2013 at 10:02 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: It's an interesting question. Christians frequently assert that nothing can come from nothing, but also frequently assert that God made the universe from nothing at all. They also assert that quantum foam doesn't count as 'nothing', only absolute nothingness counts as nothing for purposes of universe origins. If God existed and was omnipresent, where did he get the 'absolute nothingness' he made the universe from.
Of course in 50 years, they'll be saying the 'nothing' Stenger refers to when speaking of the origin of the universe was the same 'nothing' God used all along, if more evidence comes along to support the 'universe from nothing' hypothesis.
If you look at Genesis 1:1 something did not come out of nothing. "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form and void."
Note that I didn't claim the Bible says it. Many Christian theologians interpret the same verse differently, however. Ex nihilo is a very common Christian doctrine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_nihilo#C...heologians
(April 9, 2013 at 10:32 am)Drich Wrote: It says God created X and Y It does not say from nothing X and Y were manifested. We know this because the word for Create is the Hebrew ברא bara' it means to shape or form. The Idea is like taking a lump of clay or a rock and to shape it into a vessal.
I agree with you and Chad on this one. However there are swathes of Christians who don't.
