RE: Religion/god is just wishful thinking.
April 16, 2013 at 3:20 am
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2013 at 3:27 am by Godscreated.)
(April 16, 2013 at 1:25 am)Godschild Wrote: I said know on purpose, they're a multitude of Christians who know God, He's revealed Himself to us because we have searched in belief for His revelations about who He is. Just as you know you're a living person, we know God is a living being.
Esquilax Wrote:So, if you believe god exists, then god exists? Wow.
We know God exists in belief, we learn who He is from revelation, through His word or from Him. Are you so thick headed that you can not understand this, and you make fun of me. Wow.
GC Wrote:Oh, then I suppose that scientist do not receive knowledge from the subject they study, seems I heard from them that they do, is this circular too. How about an autobiography, when someone explains to others who they are, that's circular as well, shucks I guess it's back to the drawing board.
Esquilax Wrote:The difference is that when I go to study science, I can actually demonstrate the reality of the scientific method. And if my hypothesis yields no results, I don't continue to claim that it's true.
I did not say anything about you or anyone else studying science, so stop trying to turn the discussion in another direction please. Subject= thing being studied such as an animal, tree, rock, atom or what ever. See above bold.
Esquilax Wrote:As for autobiographies... I don't really need to demonstrate that I exist if I'm writing one, do I? This is all hideously malformed.
I never referred to a person who's written an autobiography as trying to teach existence, existence is assumed. I said that the person is telling others who he is. What is hideously malformed is your thought process, thinking you can turn around what I've stated into what you want it to read.
(April 16, 2013 at 2:57 am)FallentoReason Wrote:Godschild Wrote:Oh, then I suppose that scientist do not receive knowledge from the subject they study, seems I heard from them that they do, is this circular too.
Nope. They don't need to presuppose their subject exists in order to study it and then confirm they can know about it because it exists. Science deals with the world that evidently exists.
Quote:How about an autobiography, when someone explains to others who they are, that's circular as well, shucks I guess it's back to the drawing board.
Nope. Same reason as above.
I did not say anything about existence that is assumed, I said received knowledge from to learn about what the thing might be or how it functions. You seem to have the same problem Esquilax does.
As for those scientist they presupposed dark matter exists in order to study it, as a matter of fact they still do, presuppose dark matter.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.