RE: Religion/god is just wishful thinking.
April 16, 2013 at 6:31 pm
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2013 at 7:03 pm by Godscreated.)
(April 16, 2013 at 5:29 am)pocaracas Wrote:(April 16, 2013 at 3:20 am)Godschild Wrote:
(April 16, 2013 at 1:25 am)Godschild Wrote: Oh, then I suppose that scientist do not receive knowledge from the subject they study, seems I heard from them that they do, is this circular too. How about an autobiography, when someone explains to others who they are, that's circular as well, shucks I guess it's back to the drawing board.
You failed to understand your own circularity.... it ends at the last word in your sentence, not half way.
You ask god to receive "knowledge" of god.
Try this exercise: you have no concept of god. How do you receive "knowledge of god"?
I have knowledge of God and knowledge of who He is, so the exercise would be impossible. The knowledge I've been referring to is the knowledge of who God is, not the knowledge of His existence, the latter knowledge comes through faith and belief. So the answer to your question would be faith and belief, but even through faith and belief the revelation comes from God.
(April 16, 2013 at 3:20 am)Godschild Wrote: I did not say anything about existence that is assumed, I said received knowledge from to learn about what the thing might be or how it functions. You seem to have the same problem Esquilax does.
As for those scientist they presupposed dark matter exists in order to study it, as a matter of fact they still do, presuppose dark matter.
FtR Wrote:This is actually still related to existence. You're using circular reasoning for God because you need to presuppose he exists in order to believe you can get information from him that confirms he exists. The scientist simply gets knowledge from what they're studying... prod it, smell it, observe it... what's the problem?
I know He exist through faith and belief, this is the time in which He makes Himself known as a real being. then If one continues to grow with God one will receive knowledge from God about who He truly is. This is linear reasoning, you're the one going in circles, you should stop before you get dizzy and fall you could hurt yourself.
FtR Wrote:As for dark matter, I don't have a degree in physics so I can't comment on it.
I have no degree in physics, yet I make it appoint to learn some about what science is looking into. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm saying they investigate it through faith.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.