RE: Religion/god is just wishful thinking.
April 16, 2013 at 7:19 pm
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2013 at 7:21 pm by Atheist(KM).)
(April 16, 2013 at 6:31 pm)Godschild Wrote:How do you know ''god'' is real? Can you demonstrate it, knowledge is demonstrable after all. Also which ''god''? How do you know your god is right if I can simply say ''I have received revelation from the flying spaghetti monster I know he's real and if I don't believe Ill end up in his hell'' . In what way if your belief different from this one or, islam, paganism, ,pink unicorn, etc. How is yours any different if the amount of proof is the same along with, using the same logic. So, why should I consider your claim anymore seriously than these religions? Also, if I were a muslim or of another religion I could simply say to you'' the devil has deceived you'' after all, if the devil is real(which he isn't) how do you know you're not being deceived?(April 16, 2013 at 5:29 am)pocaracas Wrote:
You failed to understand your own circularity.... it ends at the last word in your sentence, not half way.
You ask god to receive "knowledge" of god.
Try this exercise: you have no concept of god. How do you receive "knowledge of god"?
I have knowledge of God and knowledge of who He is, so the exercise would be impossible. The knowledge I've been referring to is the knowledge of who God is, not the knowledge of His existence, the latter knowledge comes through faith and belief. So the answer to your question would be faith and belief, but even through faith and belief the revelation comes from God.
(April 16, 2013 at 3:20 am)Godschild Wrote: I did not say anything about existence that is assumed, I said received knowledge from to learn about what the thing might be or how it functions. You seem to have the same problem Esquilax does.
As for those scientist they presupposed dark matter exists in order to study it, as a matter of fact they still do, presuppose dark matter.
FtR Wrote:This is actually still related to existence. You're using circular reasoning for God because you need to presuppose he exists in order to believe you can get information from him that confirms he exists. The scientist simply gets knowledge from what they're studying... prod it, smell it, observe it... what's the problem?
I know He exist through faith and belief, this is the time in which He makes Himself known as a real being. then If one continues to grow with God one will receive knowledge from God about who He truly is. This is linear reasoning, you're the one going in circles, you should stop before you get dizzy and fall you could hurt yourself.
FtR Wrote:As for dark matter, I don't have a degree in physics so I can't comment on it.
I have no degree in physics, yet I make it appoint to learn some about what science is looking into. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm saying they investigate it through faith.