RE: Show me your proof
April 16, 2013 at 9:45 pm
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2013 at 9:58 pm by radorth.)
(April 14, 2013 at 9:54 am)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: Omni has a defined meaning. Present has a defined meaning. Just because one can write omnipresent does not mean it has a defined meaning. One can give concrete example of things which are described by omni and present. That does not mean there exists something which can be described as omnipresent. Similarly one can say they have a square circle. It is fun game to play with children to get them to think. So are terms like omnipresent but we learn believers truly are like children and cannot see the problem.
I see it perfectly. Rhythm admitted it means whatever he wants it too mean, which is absurd.
You guys are not addressing whether a a God in one million more places than you are at any moment, or who knows one million times as much as Einstein is worthy of worship. I'd be perfectly happy with him.
Neither will atheists answer whether they would serve Jesus if he came back and healed 94% of all the terminally ill people in the entire world. Or, if they are intelligent and brave enough to answer, the answer is no because he's not powerful enough, I assume. (They don't say)
Demanding God is either omnipowerful or he is not presents a false dichotomy. Billions of people would love to see the Jesus I described return to earth whether he met some vague "omnipotent" standard or not.
So it isn't me who doesn't get it. It's mindless unbelievers who don't think, don't know anything about logic, and see only in black and white, just like the "fundies" they criticize.
(April 13, 2013 at 4:07 am)Esquilax Wrote: You seem to put more stock in your interpretation than in the outlooks of millions of other christians, yet you've failed to provide a reason why. You've scoffed at Luckie's interpretation, but given no enticement for us to take yours any more seriously. Why should we just assume that you're right and she's wrong?
Christianity made this bed with all this talk of metaphors, and personal revelation, and yet it steadfastly refuses to lie in it. You all just keep trundling on as though everyone else is the idiot for not blindly following your interpretation of your facsimile holy book. It's weird.
I see. So you have to think in black and white because Christians do? What kind of logic is that? You are just avoiding a perfectly honest question. So would you serve a God who did not meet all standards everywhere for "omnipotent"? If not, why not? I could care less who uses the word, Christian or not. And you blame me for breaking with fundies now? That response would indicate you are just doing gotcha posting instead of dealing with the issue.
But tell us if you would serve and obey a Jesus who returned to earth and healed 94% of all terminally ill patients, like half the earth would. Inquiring minds want to know.