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The Argument From Nonbelief
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RE: The Argument From Nonbelief
(April 18, 2013 at 5:47 pm)catfish Wrote: LOL! You want me to address your presuppositional strawmen fallacies?
I told you that your "logic" was a waste of time and space but if you wish to discuss the OP, deal with premises 1&2. Show me that you know Yahweh's desires.

This is the classic fallacy of attempting to shift the burden of proof. It isn't my job to show anybody the "desires" of an un-demonstrated fictional being that you call "Yahweh". And the fact that you would even make such a statement demonstrates that you're willing (as most religionists are) to spin and rationalize the text to fit the presuppositional standpoint which you committed to from the outset.

Now, if you don't think YOUR version of Santa Claus wants people to know X then don't respond to the OP!

(April 18, 2013 at 5:47 pm)catfish Wrote: If you can't or won't demonstrate a valid reason for claiming the preimise (which I suspect is the case as you just wanted a sounding board for your little rant), I'll just assert that X=conscience/morals...

Huh? The 3 propositions in X, according to you, are just "morals"? So then you don't think this alleged "Yahweh" exists, is omniscient, and wants everyone to "be saved"?

(April 18, 2013 at 5:47 pm)catfish Wrote: So, do you provide evidence of justification of your premises or do you accept my assertion and refute it by denying that you have any morals? Or is there perhaps some other option?

I don't know WTF you're talking about, or where you're going with this "morals" thing. This is a red herring, but we don't need "Yahweh" (Santa Claus) or any other mythical deity to have morals (assuming we have agreed upon what that term means). Morals precede religion.
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The Argument From Nonbelief - by median - April 16, 2013 at 5:16 pm
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by Minimalist - April 16, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by catfish - April 16, 2013 at 5:32 pm
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by Minimalist - April 16, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by Simon Moon - April 16, 2013 at 5:35 pm
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by Tonus - April 16, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by median - April 17, 2013 at 2:06 am
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by catfish - April 17, 2013 at 5:36 pm
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by tokutter - April 18, 2013 at 10:03 am
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by Lord Privy Seal - April 18, 2013 at 11:17 am
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by median - April 18, 2013 at 1:42 pm
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by catfish - April 18, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by Napoléon - April 18, 2013 at 2:02 pm
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by median - April 18, 2013 at 2:48 pm
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by catfish - April 18, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by median - April 21, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by Mister Agenda - April 18, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by peacemaker - April 18, 2013 at 6:41 pm
RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by Tonus - April 18, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Re: RE: The Argument From Nonbelief - by frz - April 18, 2013 at 7:50 pm

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