(April 21, 2013 at 6:29 pm)whateverist Wrote:(April 21, 2013 at 1:08 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: Perhaps believers should lead by example and demonstrate tolerance of atheists. They claim that is their policy but it only became that after it was imposed upon them by civil authority and force. Unfortunately Christian intolerance of non-christians much less atheists goes back to the beginning of their cults and continues to the present day.
Don't start a fight you can't finish.
What?! You want a piece of me? YOU WANT A PIECE OF ME?
Only a small piece. But the fraction of the population that is atheist is growing. They may remember the intolerance and get some payback. Granted atheists are much nicer people than believers but payback for intolerance is tempting.
Quote:Well that would be fine but I'm not sure what you'd like to fight about. I don't disagree that Christians -in particular among theists- could stand to be much more tolerant. However I don't think atheists get a pass on blind faith or rudeness until that happens.
(April 21, 2013 at 1:08 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: Of course it is never insurance against faulty logic. It is absolute insurance against taking imagination and fantasy as facts and physical evidence upon which all logic MUST BE BASED else it is not logic but bullshit.
No it isn't. Is it your fantasy that it is rational to be rational or that you are fully conscious of all the reasons for all your beliefs?
I am fully conscious of the absence of belief. The reasons are immaterial. Having none is simply having none.
Quote:If so then you have a faith based belief there which your atheism failed to guard you from falling into.
Again a hypothetical IF which is not a fact. Therefore there can be no logical conclusion beyond the mere exercise of the rules such as might appear as an exercise in class on logic. If you meant merely the rules can be exercised then maybe you are correct. But in the real world when one starts with a non-fact the conclusion is false.
It is lawful to shoot Syrians.
Richard Dawkins is a Syrian.
I see the rules but it is not lawful to shoot Dawkins no matter how temping at times.
Quote:Neither is your atheism responsible for your faulty logic. I'm an atheist but I don't jump to those conclusions. You need to examine your assumptions.
The absence of belief is an observable and testable fact at least for me from the inside looking out. There is no logic involved. Incorrect assumptions lead to shooting the wrong people or at least for the wrong reasons.