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Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy
(April 22, 2013 at 5:35 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I haven't ignored you, I've simply reminded you that reason cannot be removed from that example. I don't have any problem with empiricism either, I find the two work wonderfully together. Would you lean on empiricism as somehow justifying theism?
(you're repeating yourself after I've explained why what you wrote is unsatisfying to me, so I hardly see what room there would be to bitch about repeating yourself. You could have offered something else)

No, I would not use empiricism to justify my belief in God.

Another example: let's suppose I have purchased a bicycle from a shop. Let's assume that nobody witnessed or has knowledge of me buying or even owning the bicycle. A few years down the line I have lost the receipt of purchase and the company from which I purchased the bicycle dissolved. Suppose in a public setting I lock the bike and lose the key, and there is another person who comes along and makes a convincing reasoned argument and claims that the bike actually belongs to him or her. With absolutely no evidence (documentary, anecdotal or otherwise), how can I possibly prove to somebody that the bike is my property? The only real possibilities are: a person is going to believe me, a person is going to disbelieve me, or a person is going to reserve judgement. For a person who disbelieves me, he or she is perfectly within his or her rights because I have provided absolutely no firm evidence that the bike belongs to me. A person might choose to believe that I am telling the truth based on intuition, in which case reason is trumped by intuition in this instance and does, in fact, lead to the truth of the matter.
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Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 19, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 19, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 19, 2013 at 4:09 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Baalzebutt - April 19, 2013 at 4:35 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - May 1, 2013 at 4:10 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - May 2, 2013 at 7:56 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - May 2, 2013 at 9:50 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - May 2, 2013 at 12:26 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - May 2, 2013 at 2:21 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - May 2, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - May 3, 2013 at 7:04 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - May 8, 2013 at 2:20 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - May 4, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by wwjs - May 4, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Angrboda - April 19, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 19, 2013 at 3:19 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Esquilax - April 20, 2013 at 3:55 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 19, 2013 at 4:20 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Joel - April 19, 2013 at 3:34 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Joel - April 19, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 10:03 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 19, 2013 at 4:32 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 4:10 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 4:36 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 21, 2013 at 3:00 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 22, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by pocaracas - April 19, 2013 at 6:24 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by pocaracas - April 21, 2013 at 10:19 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 21, 2013 at 10:29 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Fruity - April 20, 2013 at 2:37 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 6:45 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by pocaracas - April 20, 2013 at 7:04 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 10:10 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Joel - April 20, 2013 at 6:19 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 6:52 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Joel - April 20, 2013 at 6:48 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 7:00 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Joel - April 20, 2013 at 6:54 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 7:11 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by LastPoet - April 20, 2013 at 12:27 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 1:56 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 21, 2013 at 11:33 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by LastPoet - April 20, 2013 at 11:55 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Esquilax - April 20, 2013 at 7:48 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 8:45 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 10:45 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Joel - April 20, 2013 at 8:50 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 21, 2013 at 6:01 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by davidMC1982 - April 20, 2013 at 11:19 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by LastPoet - April 20, 2013 at 11:32 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 12:36 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 2:11 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by LastPoet - April 20, 2013 at 12:05 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 21, 2013 at 6:54 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 4:35 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Kayenneh - April 20, 2013 at 3:06 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by LastPoet - April 20, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Joel - April 20, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Kayenneh - April 20, 2013 at 4:34 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Joel - April 20, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 20, 2013 at 5:18 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Rayaan - April 20, 2013 at 7:58 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 21, 2013 at 8:09 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Joel - April 20, 2013 at 5:33 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by LastPoet - April 20, 2013 at 8:24 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Angrboda - April 21, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Rayaan - April 20, 2013 at 8:37 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Joel - April 21, 2013 at 8:20 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 21, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 21, 2013 at 10:02 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by davidMC1982 - April 21, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Tonus - April 21, 2013 at 11:29 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Kayenneh - April 21, 2013 at 12:31 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Tonus - April 21, 2013 at 1:53 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 21, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 21, 2013 at 4:16 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 21, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Ryantology - April 21, 2013 at 6:36 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Aractus - April 22, 2013 at 2:33 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 22, 2013 at 3:29 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Aractus - April 30, 2013 at 8:41 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 30, 2013 at 1:33 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 30, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Angrboda - April 30, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 30, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Angrboda - April 30, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 30, 2013 at 5:02 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - May 1, 2013 at 9:09 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 22, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 22, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Kayenneh - April 22, 2013 at 11:26 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 22, 2013 at 3:02 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 22, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Angrboda - April 22, 2013 at 11:09 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 23, 2013 at 4:06 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 22, 2013 at 4:49 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 22, 2013 at 5:31 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 23, 2013 at 6:52 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Ryantology - April 30, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 23, 2013 at 9:15 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Fruity - April 24, 2013 at 12:36 am
RE: Atheism, Theism, Science & Philosophy - by Love - April 24, 2013 at 3:47 am

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