(April 20, 2013 at 6:47 pm)smax Wrote: If something is made from magic, why shouldn't it have magical properties?
I never said it was magically made.
(April 21, 2013 at 1:21 am)ThomM Wrote: Lets see
1- WE exist - and since you consider existence as being EVERYTHING that exists - then you a part of the existence. THe problem with your claim about a god is two fold -
First - none has ever been proven to exist -
Second - to claim a god had to exist to do something might be true - but you have not established that a god did anything
Gods are nothing more than FICTIONAL characters created by humans for use in ancient religious Myths and Legends - there have been thousands so far named - and none have ever been established to have any reality beyond fiction.
2 - Yes - we are all part of what exists - in life and in death.
3 - Your question - where did matter/energy come from in the first place - iis the old theist claim that everything had to have an origin - except of course for your god. Since YOU make an exception for your god - then you must understand that it is possible that something has ALWAYS existed - ie - matter and energy. AS far as a god "poofing" anything into existence - in a fictional story - you can have your god poof - in reality they do not exist to do it.
1) You didn't address number 1.
2) We are all a part of what exists. In death, we no longer exist. At the very least, the matter of my body turns into worm and maggot food.
3) My God has a valid reason for not having an origin. He is innately Being. Matter/energy do not innately exist, else there would be an infinite amount of matter/energy. Last I heard, the universe was finite.
(April 21, 2013 at 10:47 am)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: You missed something very important. Everything above is nothing more than argumentation. Argumentation is worthless. Only physical evidence matters. You have still not established 1) so it remains an unfounded hypothetical. Thus 2) and 3) are extensions of this unfounded gibberish.
That you cannot produce physical evidence does not give your gibberish any merit whatsoever.
What physical evidence do you have that says physical evidence is the only evidence that matters?
Nevertheless, I'm pretty sure that my existence, your existence, or other things existence's are pretty solid empirical pieces of data. I don't understand your problem.
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