RE: Seeds of Conflict
April 25, 2013 at 9:47 pm
(This post was last modified: April 25, 2013 at 10:06 pm by A_Nony_Mouse.)
All concern about GMO is manufactured by crackpots. The US is the leader in the field. A great way to get rich is to sue a corporation that caused harm in any manner. I awaiting the first award against the produced of any GMO product for the harm it caused.
Europe is deep into a prove the negative mode demanding GMOs be proved safe (impossible) before approved.
For the most part the GMO products have leaped across hundreds if not thousands of generations of breeding for the gene. If a gene can be bred into a species what it the problem with doing it in generation.
I agree that sounds like speculation but google a mess of the stats on how many genes we, you and I, share with sea sponges and spiders and frogs. Those kinds of fractions also apply to soy beans genes and sponges and such. What are the odds that the same gene does not exist but is being suppressed by something else? And why go through all the generations of breeding when it can be done directly? There can be a huge multi-year effort or "lets see if it works." The latter is preferable.
But lets say there is some long term problem that shows up after years. Let us be honest about feeding people. While the unlimited growth by 2050 was once at 50B with no end in sight it is now a peak about 14B in that year and declines immediately afterwards. And in every year the peak number keeps decreasing.* But whatever number there are are going to keep wanting to eat. If they do not want GMO let them starve. You can lead a whore to culture and all that.
The above is entirely separate from the legal issues in the US regarding saving seed and spread of pollen across fields which is an entirely different issue.
* We will probably be lucky to hit 15B which will have a certain fraction of the population able to do high end jobs. When the world population begins to decline from there the fraction of people to do high end problems like medical research will decline. The obvious solution of free higher education for the entire world can only be a stopgap measure and then only if someone can make it work.
Europe is deep into a prove the negative mode demanding GMOs be proved safe (impossible) before approved.
For the most part the GMO products have leaped across hundreds if not thousands of generations of breeding for the gene. If a gene can be bred into a species what it the problem with doing it in generation.
I agree that sounds like speculation but google a mess of the stats on how many genes we, you and I, share with sea sponges and spiders and frogs. Those kinds of fractions also apply to soy beans genes and sponges and such. What are the odds that the same gene does not exist but is being suppressed by something else? And why go through all the generations of breeding when it can be done directly? There can be a huge multi-year effort or "lets see if it works." The latter is preferable.
But lets say there is some long term problem that shows up after years. Let us be honest about feeding people. While the unlimited growth by 2050 was once at 50B with no end in sight it is now a peak about 14B in that year and declines immediately afterwards. And in every year the peak number keeps decreasing.* But whatever number there are are going to keep wanting to eat. If they do not want GMO let them starve. You can lead a whore to culture and all that.
The above is entirely separate from the legal issues in the US regarding saving seed and spread of pollen across fields which is an entirely different issue.
* We will probably be lucky to hit 15B which will have a certain fraction of the population able to do high end jobs. When the world population begins to decline from there the fraction of people to do high end problems like medical research will decline. The obvious solution of free higher education for the entire world can only be a stopgap measure and then only if someone can make it work.
